$3.50 NLHE STT: $$3.50 NLHE STT: Should I have feared quads?

[Edwardsl1985]

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T15/T30
Buy-in: $3.11+$0.39 USD Hold'em No Limit
pokerstars
7 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T570)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T2,235)
MP - MP (T2,810)
CO - CO (T2,425)
BTN - BTN (T2,860)
SB - Hero (T1,385)
BB - BB (T1,215)

Preflop: (T45, 7 players) Hero is SB with As Qh
UTG calls T30, UTG+1 calls T30, 3 folds, Hero calls T15, BB checks

Flop: 5d Qd 5h (T120, 4 players - UTG+1: T2,205, Hero: T1,355, BB: T1,185, UTG: T540)
Hero checks, BB bets T60, 2 folds, Hero calls T60

Turn: 5c (T240, 2 players - Hero: T1,295, BB: T1,125)
Hero bets T120, BB calls T120

River: 4d (T480, 2 players - Hero: T1,175, BB: T1,005)
Hero bets T360, BB raises to T1,005 (all-in), Hero calls T645

Total Pot: T2,490
BB shows 9d 5s (four of a kind, Fives)
Hero shows As Qh (a full house, Fives full of Queens)

BB wins T2,490


When we went all in only the hands that I was really fearing were k's and ace's the 5 I kinda discounted. Would anyone have folded their queen here? Is this bad play or a bad beat?

p.s. this is my first hand history type post so if I've done it wrong apologies, just let me know for next time cheers.

 

[WiZZiM]

no you should never really fear quads, it just doesn't happen often enough for you to be worried.

With two players in, i'd be tempted to raise here, but knowing how much players like to see flops at this level, i'm fine with calling.

what i'd be more worried about were the diamonds the way this hand played out, i would have probably checked the river and called his bet. it's just not a great value bet spot at all.

 

[ravpl]

You play bad preflop. I will raise to 120-150 preflop. BB should fold in this situation and you will win. After flop i will bet half pot but check/call look fine. On turn u get full house so u need to bet and futher go all-in. So it was a good play in this situation.

 

[jj20002]

not well played

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T15/T30
Buy-in: $3.11+$0.39 USD Hold'em No Limit
PokerStars
7 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T570)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T2,235)
MP - MP (T2,810)
CO - CO (T2,425)
BTN - BTN (T2,860)
SB - Hero (T1,385)
BB - BB (T1,215)

Preflop: (T45, 7 players) Hero is SB with As Qh
UTG calls T30, UTG+1 calls T30, 3 folds, Hero calls T15, BB checks

Flop: 5d Qd 5h (T120, 4 players - UTG+1: T2,205, Hero: T1,355, BB: T1,185, UTG: T540)
Hero checks, BB bets T60, 2 folds, Hero calls T60

Turn: 5c (T240, 2 players - Hero: T1,295, BB: T1,125)
Hero bets T120, BB calls T120

River: 4d (T480, 2 players - Hero: T1,175, BB: T1,005)
Hero bets T360, BB raises to T1,005 (all-in), Hero calls T645

Total Pot: T2,490
BB shows 9d 5s (four of a kind, Fives)
Hero shows As Qh (a full house, Fives full of Queens)

BB wins T2,490


When we went all in only the hands that I was really fearing were k's and ace's the 5 I kinda discounted. Would anyone have folded their queen here? Is this bad play or a bad beat?

p.s. this is my first hand history type post so if I've done it wrong apologies, just let me know for next time cheers.

You should raise preflop to avoid this happened again,


as you said you were feared of somebody having AA, or KK, but you really think somebody will share a pot with 7 players having aces or kings without any attempt to at least raise 3bb preflop? Actually it could be a QQ, but again, it will be a raise before flop

I mean in the way you played this hand i could suspect of anything including a quad because 7 players were in, so you have 14 cards out of 47 (discounting the board) so the chances to be a 5 are 30%, so do the quads,

so next time raise enough to avoid this king of multiway pots otherwise you won´t a chance to success

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

"Should I have feared quads?"

Not even going to look at the hand because I don't need to to tell you the answer is no.

...

Okay having actually looked at the hand, raise preflop - both simply for value and because playing out of position against two players with really wide ranges will quite often end badly. As played, you got yourself into a horrible situation where I'd probably be expecting to split the pot with another Qx hand but bleh, you can't really fold - it could be an idiot with a flush who hasn't read the board or someone with a lower PP sitting there thinking "OOOH A FULL HOUSE!!!1" and at the cheap buyins it probably is often enough to justify getting it in on the turn/river

 

[Arjonius]

With two players in, i'd be tempted to raise here, but knowing how much players like to see flops at this level, i'm fine with calling.

If they're going to call with ranges that you're ahead of, isn't this an argument for raising?

 

[JusSumguy]

You play bad preflop.

You should raise preflop to avoid this happened again,

"Should I have feared quads?"

Not even going to look at the hand because I don't need to to tell you the answer is no.

Okay having actually looked at the hand, raise preflop

Yep... missing that raise probably cost you the hand.

Would you call a big raise with 95?

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[Arjonius]

You should raise preflop to avoid this happened again,

You should raise pre- because your hand value warrants doing so. You will get junk hands to fold, but that's not a particularly good reason for raising. Sure, they'll draw out on you sometimes, but overall, how much do you mind if someone calls with xx?

 

[Edwardsl1985]

Great advice guys. Yea looking at it I should of raised pre flop. Looking at other hands I've had recently this is a definite leak. Top advice, gona start putting tricky hands up mire often

 

[jaworek1405]

I agree with that you should raise it pre flop. You have +40bb so you can do that, at least 3x. The flop - you shouldn't afraid of kings or aces, because they limped pre flop, if they had aces or kings they probably raise it pre flop. I understand that you call pre flop with AQ, because I also sometimes only want to see cheaply the flop, but not raise it pre flop is a mistake. Take care

 

[JohnBoyWWFC]

Also, think about ranges. You say you're worried about AA/KK but it was a limped pot.