This is a discussion on $3.50 NLHE MTT: 2 tables (9max): Strong? draw within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Hand Analysis section; This is the 5th hand of the tournament and the first time I've ever played any of the other players involved in this hand. I
This is the 5th hand of the tournament and the first time I've ever played any of the other players involved in this hand. I feel like I was too passive but I'm not sure what I should or could have done differently.
Pre-flop: I call in the BB because I've got good pot odds with my speculative hand. Why does the BTN make that min-reraise? I call the one extra BB for the same reason as before.
Flop: In-game I was thinking I've got a strong draw that I don't want to fold. But I don't want to raise into the two remaining players, in my experience fold-equity is low in the early stages of these stakes and I don't actually have a hand yet. So I call, thinking the implied odds justify it.
BTN raises 2x. I'm thinking BTN & SB are on similar ranges of strong made hands - high pairs, 2 pairs, sets.* So I'm getting the right price to draw to a straight or flush which I think will make me best. I still don't want to fold or raise this 4-way pot. So I call.
*Looking back now I think AdKd & AdQd could definitely be in their range so maybe my draw wasn't as strong as I thought it was.
Turn: The odds aren't as good and BTN seems to like his hand. I give up.
So how would you have played this? I kinda felt like all my options were wrong! And why do you think the BTN made that min-raise pre-flop?
Edit: All through playing and analysing this hand I seem to have ignored the made straights and straight draws - higher than mine - that are in SB & BTN's ranges at the flop. I think my hand just looked good at first sight at the flop and I got too attached to it and should have folded earlier and saved some chips.
Basically I wasn't ranging my opponents well enough.
I'd still like to hear any thoughts.
Lots of sillyness going on here with SB min-raising into limpers and BTN then clicking it back after initially limping. You ask, why he does this, and the answer is, because he has no idea, whats going on, and he is just clicking buttons. And so frankly is SB with that sizing. Nothing to do here other than call and immideatly put a "fish" tag on both these guys for future reference.
You flopped a 15 outs combodraw, but as you already realised, the quality of this draw is not very good. You are drawing to the arse end of the straight, someone could already have a better made straight, and with 4 players seeing the flop being overflushed is also a real concern. Even so folding would be to tight, but I dont want to raise here and end up stacking off against hands, that I am not doing particularly well against. BTN now comes in for another silly min-raise confirming the fact, he is an idiot fish, and nothing to do here other than put in the chips and see a turn.
BTN now jam, and I definitely agree with your fold. You are only getting a little better than 2:1, and you dont even know, how many outs you really have, so you are not priced in to make this call. God knows, what BTN had, but hopefully you will get another chance to get after him later.
First off no playing 64s from EP - no limping, good players will punish you properly. You will be lighting chips on fire
Secondly, when you flop the world as you did, and face a raise on the flop - the pot is plentyarge enough for you to realize your equity and just get it all in here....calling and then folding on later streets is lighting more chips on fire and is just poor play at that point. If you aren't willing to go with a draw this strong - why did you play the hand to begin with? You have more equity than AA on this flop...
Stop lighting chips on fire! This is a bad hand and played even worse post flop. Take this words with a grain of salt, learn and grow. Quite a few ppl don't even post hands like this where they are actually wanting to learn, they post bad beat hands and ask if they could change anything about it.
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