$3.5 NLHE STT Turbo: Full SnG tournament #1

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Hand #1

pokerstars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 15/30 - 8 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,500 (50 bb)
AlexMattend (UTG+1): 1,500 (50 bb)
DroniM (MP): 1,905 (64 bb)
weekon (MP+1): 1,500 (50 bb)
Robbi Kiss (CO): 1,320 (44 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,485 (50 bb)
naten1234 (SB): 1,290 (43 bb)
1numismat (BB): 1,500 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: (45) Hero (1numismat) is BB with A♣ A♦
6 players fold, naten1234 (SB) raises to 60, 1numismat (BB) - ?

Hand #2

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 20/40 - 6 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,530 (38 bb)
AlexMattend (MP): 1,395 (35 bb)
DroniM (CO): 3,390 (85 bb)
weekon (BU): 1,450 (36 bb)
kameleonfcb (SB): 1,445 (36 bb)
1numismat (BB): 2,790 (70 bb)

Pre-Flop: (60) Hero (1numismat) is BB with 8♦ 8♥
3 players fold, weekon (BU) raises to 114, 1 fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 74

Flop: (248) Q♥ K♣ 9♠ (2 players)
1numismat (BB) checks, weekon (BU) bets 114, 1numismat (BB) - ?

Hand #3

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 20/40 - 6 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 1,395 (35 bb)
DroniM (MP): 3,390 (85 bb)
weekon (CO): 1,584 (40 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,425 (36 bb)
1numismat (SB): 2,676 (67 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 1,530 (38 bb)

Pre-Flop: (60) Hero (1numismat) is SB with 9♦ K♣
4 players fold, 1numismat (SB) raises to 80, Troll290782 (BB) calls 40

Flop: (160) 4♣ Q♥ K♦ (2 players)
1numismat (SB) bets 80, Troll290782 (BB) calls 80

Turn: (320) 2♥ (2 players)
1numismat (SB) - ?

Hand #4

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 - 6 players

1numismat (UTG): 2,836 (57 bb)
Troll290782 (MP): 1,350 (27 bb)
AlexMattend (CO): 1,735 (35 bb)
DroniM (BU): 3,170 (63 bb)
weekon (SB): 1,484 (30 bb)
kameleonfcb (BB): 1,425 (29 bb)

Pre-Flop: (75) Hero (1numismat) is UTG with 3♣ 3♠
1numismat (UTG) - ?

Hand #5

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 - 6 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 1,735 (35 bb)
DroniM (MP): 3,245 (65 bb)
weekon (CO): 1,459 (29 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,350 (27 bb)
1numismat (SB): 2,861 (57 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 1,350 (27 bb)

Pre-Flop: (75) Hero (1numismat) is SB with A♦ T♥
1 fold, DroniM (MP) raises to 100, weekon (CO) 3-bets to 1,459 (all-in), 1 fold, 1numismat (SB) - ?

Hand #6

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 30/60 - 6 players

DroniM (UTG): 3,110 (52 bb)
weekon (MP): 1,814 (30 bb)
kameleonfcb (CO): 1,350 (23 bb)
1numismat (BU): 2,746 (46 bb)
Troll290782 (SB): 1,440 (24 bb)
AlexMattend (BB): 1,540 (26 bb)

Pre-Flop: (90) Hero (1numismat) is BTN with K♣ J♠
DroniM (UTG) raises to 210, 2 players fold, 1numismat (BU) - ?

Hand #7

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 40/80 (5 ante) - 6 players

1numismat (UTG): 2,736 (34 bb)
Troll290782 (MP): 1,400 (18 bb)
AlexMattend (CO): 2,018 (25 bb)
DroniM (BU): 3,220 (40 bb)
weekon (SB): 1,286 (16 bb)
kameleonfcb (BB): 1,340 (17 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (1numismat) is UTG with A♦ 9♣
1numismat (UTG) - ?

Hand #8

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 40/80 (5 ante) - 6 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,395 (17 bb)
AlexMattend (MP): 2,163 (27 bb)
DroniM (CO): 3,215 (40 bb)
weekon (BU): 1,241 (16 bb)
kameleonfcb (SB): 1,255 (16 bb)
1numismat (BB): 2,731 (34 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (1numismat) is BB with Q♦ T♦
Troll290782 (UTG) raises to 280, 4 players fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 200

Flop: (630) 2♣ 2♦ 3♦ (2 players)
1numismat (BB) checks, Troll290782 (UTG) bets 473, 1numismat (BB) - ?

Hand #9

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (10 ante) - 6 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 2,916 (29 bb)
DroniM (MP): 3,005 (30 bb)
weekon (CO): 188 (2 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,665 (17 bb)
1numismat (SB): 1,141 (11 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 3,085 (31 bb)

Pre-Flop: (210) Hero (1numismat) is SB with A♣ 2♣
1 fold, DroniM (MP) calls 100, weekon (CO) raises to 178 (all-in), kameleonfcb (BU) calls 178, 1numismat (SB) calls 128, Troll290782 (BB) calls 78, DroniM (MP) calls 78

Flop: (950) 6♥ K♥ T♥ (5 players, 1 all-in)
1numismat (SB) checks, Troll290782 (BB) checks, DroniM (MP) bets 475, kameleonfcb (BU) folds, 1numismat (SB) - ?

Hand #10

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 6 players

kameleonfcb (UTG): 1,447 (12 bb)
1numismat (MP): 923 (8 bb)
Troll290782 (CO): 2,837 (24 bb)
AlexMattend (BU): 3,206 (27 bb)
DroniM (SB): 2,667 (22 bb)
weekon (BB): 920 (8 bb)

Pre-Flop: (270) Hero (1numismat) is MP with A♥ 8♦
1 fold, 1numismat (MP) - ?

Hand #11

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 5 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,914 (16 bb)
AlexMattend (CO): 3,191 (27 bb)
DroniM (BU): 2,592 (22 bb)
kameleonfcb (SB): 1,432 (12 bb)
1numismat (BB): 2,871 (24 bb)

Pre-Flop: (255) Hero (1numismat) is BB with T♣ Q♦
2 players fold, DroniM (BU) raises to 240, 1 fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 120

Flop: (615) Q♥ 8♥ 9♠ (2 players)
1numismat (BB) - ?

Hand #12

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 5 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 3,176 (26 bb)
DroniM (CO): 2,337 (19 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,357 (11 bb)
1numismat (SB): 3,231 (27 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 1,899 (16 bb)

Pre-Flop: (255) Hero (1numismat) is SB with T♣ T♠
1 fold, DroniM (CO) raises to 495, 1 fold, 1numismat (SB) calls 435, 1 fold

Flop: (1,185) 3♠ 3♣ 3♥ (2 players)
1numismat (SB) - ?

Final hand

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/424YVWVlx
 
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I don't play on PS at all, what kind of sng is this, what blind level structure it has, is it a double or nothing, if not how many players get paid?
Hand #1

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 15/30 - 8 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,500 (50 bb)
AlexMattend (UTG+1): 1,500 (50 bb)
DroniM (MP): 1,905 (64 bb)
weekon (MP+1): 1,500 (50 bb)
Robbi Kiss (CO): 1,320 (44 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,485 (50 bb)
naten1234 (SB): 1,290 (43 bb)
1numismat (BB): 1,500 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: (45) Hero (1numismat) is BB with A♣ A♦
6 players fold, naten1234 (SB) raises to 60, 1numismat (BB) - ?

Want to go allin somehow, so mini-raise for me till 120-150


Hand #2

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 20/40 - 6 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,530 (38 bb)
AlexMattend (MP): 1,395 (35 bb)
DroniM (CO): 3,390 (85 bb)
weekon (BU): 1,450 (36 bb)
kameleonfcb (SB): 1,445 (36 bb)
1numismat (BB): 2,790 (70 bb)

Pre-Flop: (60) Hero (1numismat) is BB with 8♦ 8♥
3 players fold, weekon (BU) raises to 114, 1 fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 74

Flop: (248) Q♥ K♣ 9♠ (2 players)
1numismat (BB) checks, weekon (BU) bets 114, 1numismat (BB) - ?

Easy fold, all 3 cards are over your pair, and you have enough stack to wait for other playable cards. Probably, preflop i would raise, defend this good hand from BB vs. BU, I would raise till 350-450 preflop, take his blind steal attempt, or i know for sure he has strong hands...

Hand #3

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 20/40 - 6 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 1,395 (35 bb)
DroniM (MP): 3,390 (85 bb)
weekon (CO): 1,584 (40 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,425 (36 bb)
1numismat (SB): 2,676 (67 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 1,530 (38 bb)

Pre-Flop: (60) Hero (1numismat) is SB with 9♦ K♣
4 players fold, 1numismat (SB) raises to 80, Troll290782 (BB) calls 40

Flop: (160) 4♣ Q♥ K♦ (2 players)
1numismat (SB) bets 80, Troll290782 (BB) calls 80

Turn: (320) 2♥ (2 players)
1numismat (SB) - ?

No straight draw completed, so continue to bet, maybe a bit over half pot.


Hand #4

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 - 6 players

1numismat (UTG): 2,836 (57 bb)
Troll290782 (MP): 1,350 (27 bb)
AlexMattend (CO): 1,735 (35 bb)
DroniM (BU): 3,170 (63 bb)
weekon (SB): 1,484 (30 bb)
kameleonfcb (BB): 1,425 (29 bb)

Pre-Flop: (75) Hero (1numismat) is UTG with 3♣ 3♠
1numismat (UTG) - ?

From 50+BB miniraise 2BB (no short stacks at the table, so no small pair folding from UTG), if someone 3bet, but not insane, under 6BB and the BU comes in the pot then call and see the flop for the set, any other case fold for 3bet.


Hand #5

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 - 6 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 1,735 (35 bb)
DroniM (MP): 3,245 (65 bb)
weekon (CO): 1,459 (29 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,350 (27 bb)
1numismat (SB): 2,861 (57 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 1,350 (27 bb)

Pre-Flop: (75) Hero (1numismat) is SB with A♦ T♥
1 fold, DroniM (MP) raises to 100, weekon (CO) 3-bets to 1,459 (all-in), 1 fold, 1numismat (SB) - ?

Fold


Hand #6

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 30/60 - 6 players

DroniM (UTG): 3,110 (52 bb)
weekon (MP): 1,814 (30 bb)
kameleonfcb (CO): 1,350 (23 bb)
1numismat (BU): 2,746 (46 bb)
Troll290782 (SB): 1,440 (24 bb)
AlexMattend (BB): 1,540 (26 bb)

Pre-Flop: (90) Hero (1numismat) is BTN with K♣ J♠
DroniM (UTG) raises to 210, 2 players fold, 1numismat (BU) - ?

Fold, even if i know this player. Recognized long time ago, plenty rec player on micros do this pot open bet with AK, and high pairs.


Hand #7

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 40/80 (5 ante) - 6 players

1numismat (UTG): 2,736 (34 bb)
Troll290782 (MP): 1,400 (18 bb)
AlexMattend (CO): 2,018 (25 bb)
DroniM (BU): 3,220 (40 bb)
weekon (SB): 1,286 (16 bb)
kameleonfcb (BB): 1,340 (17 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (1numismat) is UTG with A♦ 9♣
1numismat (UTG) - ?

Fold, 3 players under 20BB, both SB and BB, if they re-raise, it will be allin, so not worthy to play from UTG with A9o, don't do it often even if there is no short stacks from the button.

Hand #8

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 40/80 (5 ante) - 6 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,395 (17 bb)
AlexMattend (MP): 2,163 (27 bb)
DroniM (CO): 3,215 (40 bb)
weekon (BU): 1,241 (16 bb)
kameleonfcb (SB): 1,255 (16 bb)
1numismat (BB): 2,731 (34 bb)

Pre-Flop: (150) Hero (1numismat) is BB with Q♦ T♦
Troll290782 (UTG) raises to 280, 4 players fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 200

Flop: (630) 2♣ 2♦ 3♦ (2 players)
1numismat (BB) checks, Troll290782 (UTG) bets 473, 1numismat (BB) - ?

Don't understand this huge open bets from UTG, if it is 1010+ you don't have odds to call it or go allin, if it is smaller pair, AK, AJ, then it is a flip, if it is Qx, 10x you don't have odds.
he has half of your stack and opened huge from utg, probably would had to fold preflop, but here it is fold for me, sure.


Hand #9

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (10 ante) - 6 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 2,916 (29 bb)
DroniM (MP): 3,005 (30 bb)
weekon (CO): 188 (2 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,665 (17 bb)
1numismat (SB): 1,141 (11 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 3,085 (31 bb)

Pre-Flop: (210) Hero (1numismat) is SB with A♣ 2♣
1 fold, DroniM (MP) calls 100, weekon (CO) raises to 178 (all-in), kameleonfcb (BU) calls 178, 1numismat (SB) calls 128, Troll290782 (BB) calls 78, DroniM (MP) calls 78

Flop: (950) 6♥ K♥ T♥ (5 players, 1 all-in)
1numismat (SB) checks, Troll290782 (BB) checks, DroniM (MP) bets 475, kameleonfcb (BU) folds, 1numismat (SB) - ?

Fold

Hand #10

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 6 players

kameleonfcb (UTG): 1,447 (12 bb)
1numismat (MP): 923 (8 bb)
Troll290782 (CO): 2,837 (24 bb)
AlexMattend (BU): 3,206 (27 bb)
DroniM (SB): 2,667 (22 bb)
weekon (BB): 920 (8 bb)

Pre-Flop: (270) Hero (1numismat) is MP with A♥ 8♦
1 fold, 1numismat (MP) - ?

Really depends on how tight the table, based on previous moves, i would still fold this one. But on other tables, vs. tighter players, vs. you can steal blinds, it can be allin for blind stealing.

Hand #11

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 5 players

Troll290782 (UTG): 1,914 (16 bb)
AlexMattend (CO): 3,191 (27 bb)
DroniM (BU): 2,592 (22 bb)
kameleonfcb (SB): 1,432 (12 bb)
1numismat (BB): 2,871 (24 bb)

Pre-Flop: (255) Hero (1numismat) is BB with T♣ Q♦
2 players fold, DroniM (BU) raises to 240, 1 fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 120

Flop: (615) Q♥ 8♥ 9♠ (2 players)
1numismat (BB) - ?

Don't know what sng is that exactly. Definitely, check, but what act for his half bet pot, depends on the opponent, and what kind of turbo sng is this.

Hand #12

PokerStars, $3.30 + $0.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 5 players

AlexMattend (UTG): 3,176 (26 bb)
DroniM (CO): 2,337 (19 bb)
kameleonfcb (BU): 1,357 (11 bb)
1numismat (SB): 3,231 (27 bb)
Troll290782 (BB): 1,899 (16 bb)

Pre-Flop: (255) Hero (1numismat) is SB with T♣ T♠
1 fold, DroniM (CO) raises to 495, 1 fold, 1numismat (SB) calls 435, 1 fold

Flop: (1,185) 3♠ 3♣ 3♥ (2 players)
1numismat (SB) - ?

Final hand

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/424YVWVlx



He did this insane open bets earlier, you have seen, if he can fold for allin then allin, - otherwise, again depends on what format is this turbo double or nothing, sng top3 pays or something else + you saw his range, he does it with any Ax or only high pairs or even with random crap as the table tight and want to steal blinds...

not a call, it is fold or allin.
 
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I don't play on PS at all, what kind of sng is this, what blind level structure it has, is it a double or nothing, if not how many players get paid?
On table 8 players, Fifty 50 means half of the field will be paid $3.3 each + $0.11 per every 100 chips in finishing stack. For more info go to PS site and find "Fifty 50 SnG".
 
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On table 8 players, Fifty 50 means half of the field will be paid $3.3 each + $0.11 per every 100 chips in finishing stack. For more info go to PS site and find "Fifty 50 SnG".


In that case the 1010 is a fold for me.

Just out of curiousity, why do you play this format? How is the rakeback there? Is there any daily, weekly leaderboard?

Asking, because I am playing the same regularly for a while, next to tourneys, only for rakeback and leaderboard points, rewards. Without that i can't really make profit from this format. On the site where i play - i know, you are not allowed, just for info - the best regular player on my level have the stat, graph like this:

His total, real ROI is +2.0% (it is just the last 4 months, he played almost 16k DoN sngs in this time) obviously he earns triple or more from rakebacks, my ROI is -3,4% after 3k game, so must play 100+ (preferably around 200) daily for 10-20$ average daily profit on micro from rakebacks/LB... on low the + around daily 40-100$. and the fee for turbo DoN sng is 6-8%, hyper 4-6%, pretty hard to make real profit - even i picked up, the last 1k sngs on 0% ROI, so thats okay for me - from playing this format without grinding, rakeback, LB money.

If you don't mind asking it, how many DoN sng you played, what is your ROI, and how is rakeback, leaderboard there? (last time i checked, it was basically nothing)
 

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On table 8 players, Fifty 50 means half of the field will be paid $3.3 each + $0.11 per every 100 chips in finishing stack. For more info go to PS site and find "Fifty 50 SnG".



ok. i checked their site again. The same disgusting bullsh*t, they don't even mention sngs on their page, so no daily or weekly leaderboard.

The reward section is a joke compare to all other rooms, they don't even explain, publish how the monthly reward works, they just write "up to 40%"...(what means much less, like in every other business)... i don't understand why people play there... 10+ years ago it was okay, but since years it is --- better if i don't put it in words what i think about them... basically they pay - the rakebacks, lbs money - to Mr. Brazilian Billionaire Ballgamer (and keep it for themselves), instead of their players, customers....

If you are not top 1%, you wont make profit from any sng there in mid, long run (over 10-20k game), i see other rooms, where i play, where is real rakeback, sng leaderboard, and lower fees for sngs, it is very hard there too... just saying my opinion, because you waste your time with these, if you are really not the top 1% in this type, format, level...

you have to pay 375$ in fees for the 20% rakeback on PS within a month, the other rooms where i play, you pay 80-150$ for 20% rakeback + the leaderboard money (what can be much more if you grind)... not even compareable.... it is like a car dealership offers you the same car for 30000$ what you can get in the next street for less than 10000$...... the politically correct, legal robbery category...
 

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The payout structure of the 50/fifty SnGs on Stars make them play much more like a 9-man than a DoN. If you make it into the money with "a chip and a chair", you only get your money back, so to win you need to accumulate chips just like in other formats, and there is no point, where extra chips become essentially worthless. On the countrary if you have build such a large stack, that not cashing is almost impossible, then it basically play like a cash game apart from the fact, you can pressure other players. The main difference to a 9-man is, the action stop, when its down to 4 players, so you never get to play shorthanded or heads up. That make them simpler games for better or worse, and they also only start with 50BB vs. 75BB for other turbo SnGs.
 
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The payout structure of the 50/fifty SnGs on Stars make them play much more like a 9-man than a DoN. If you make it into the money with "a chip and a chair", you only get your money back, so to win you need to accumulate chips just like in other formats, and there is no point, where extra chips become essentially worthless. On the countrary if you have build such a large stack, that not cashing is almost impossible, then it basically play like a cash game apart from the fact, you can pressure other players. The main difference to a 9-man is, the action stop, when its down to 4 players, so you never get to play shorthanded or heads up. That make them simpler games for better or worse, and they also only start with 50BB vs. 75BB for other turbo SnGs.



got it. sounds like it reduces the variance for players, but in reality perhaps it is the opposite, perhaps it favors the room - it is something new for me, never played...

just saying the DoN what i play in other rooms also have some extra "motivation" - especially if you grind - as the leaderboard points going up from 8th to 1st places, so if you are a bit better and when you reach the money, it counts on 4th or 1st place, as you get double points for 1st place compare to 4th place, so if you have a good run and you win most of the ITM sngs, maybe enough to play 50-60% of the average daily sngs for the same points on the leaderboard and leaderboard money, mean you pay much less fee, rake and you get back significantly more than the paid fee, rake from leaderboard... i think, it is a good system for sng LB, and all other type of sngs count in, but with different pointing, depends on sng type, 6,8 or 9max and speed. and all rooms have separate leaderboards for different BI levels, even for micros....

on GG it is more complex, as you receive the rakebacks from 4 different ways, but it counts there, too...
 
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The 50/fifty on PokerStars have a reasonably low rake. 20c for a 3,5$, 32c for a 7$ and 69c for a 15$. Even so I have personally found them difficult to beat with the status today being just a 1,2% ROI over 1.182 games most of those being the 3,5$ and 7$ variety. It is worth mentioning though, that I was substantially down after 450 of them, so maybe I have actually learned to play them better, and my luck adjusted ROI might now be higher. But even so some kind of rake-back or other rewards like a leaderboard would for sure be very helpfull, and its certainly something to look out for when choosing poker sites, if you want to grind any format of SnGs.
 
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Anyways back to the original post and the hand histories.

Hand 1 AA
Dont see any reason to slowplay with these relatively deep stacks. Just make a standard 3X 3-bet in position and go forward from there.

Hand 2 88
Stacks are to deep to rejam, and 3-betting small with 88 OOP puts you in an awkward spot, if he does anything other than fold. So I am totally onboard with just calling pre. The flop is terrible for 88, so just check-fold and move on.

Hand 3 K9o
There is still no ante, and then I like to play a raise or fold strategy from SB. K9o is good enough to raise, but when you just min-raise, you price him in to call with any two cards in position. Use 3BB or even 3,5BB when out of position. Stabbing flop with top pair is fine. On the turn either bet again or check-call. Its up for debate, if you can go bet-bet-bet with this hand and still get called by worse, since you have a mediocre kicker. So mixing this hand into your checking range can make sense, where I would be more likely to bet again with AK, KQ or KJ.

Hand 4 33
Personally I just fold but a min-raise is not terrible.

Hand 5 ATo
Easy fold with the 3-bet jam in front of you.

Hand 6 KJo
Against a min-raise I might consider giving action, but when he goes to 3,5BB, this just goes in the muck.

Hand 7 A9s
Since there is now an ante, you are incentiviced to get involved more, and then A9o can be opened from this seat. But its close and folding is not a mistake either.

Hand 8 QTs
Against a normal raise, this is a standard defend, but when he open to 3,5BB out of a 17BB stack, that just scream strength, and you are getting much worse pot odds. So I would just fold pre. As played you flopped a flushdraw, but you are facing a very large bet, and he dont have enough stack behind for implied odds. He is also literally screaming from the mountain top, that he has a big hand, so I dought, there is any fold equity here, and if you consider it an effective shove, you are not getting good enough pot odds to chase after your draw.

Hand 9 A2s
Flop preflop and hope, CO busts, so you are only 1 player from the money. As played fold on the flop.

Hand 10 A8o
Jam preflop. You need to push aggressively to chip up and have a chance of cashing. This is generally the worst offsuit AX to push in this situation though, so if you folded, that is not a big mistake.

Hand 11 QTo
Standard defend pre, check-call flop against standard sizing, then evaluate later.

Hand 12 TT
Him raising to 4BB on the bubble with a stort stack looks very strong. But TT is to strong to fold here, and I also dont see much point in calling and then having to play postflop out of position. So I would just shove. It takes away his positional advantage, and maybe you even have fold equity, even though he should never raise this big and then fold. As played check-jam the flop or maybe consider leading. We are not folding TT on this board, so if he has JJ+ or the case 3, then congratulations to him.
 
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The 50/fifty on PokerStars have a reasonably low rake. 20c for a 3,5$, 32c for a 7$ and 69c for a 15$. Even so I have personally found them difficult to beat with the status today being just a 1,2% ROI over 1.182 games most of those being the 3,5$ and 7$ variety. It is worth mentioning though, that I was substantially down after 450 of them, so maybe I have actually learned to play them better, and my luck adjusted ROI might now be higher. But even so some kind of rake-back or other rewards like a leaderboard would for sure be very helpfull, and its certainly something to look out for when choosing poker sites, if you want to grind any format of SnGs.



This is the GG spin&go and 6max sng combined daily leaderboard total payouts, similar like ACR has the weekly one, the ACR combines the on demand multitable sngs with sngs, and counts double points for msng, GG also counts double points for sng, so on micro level 1-3$ you can be easily in the top 100, easily in the top 20, that's some extra money everyday, if you grind the hole day 10-12 hours top10, depends on the traffic of the given day. And this is just the daily leaderboard, they have 3 more rakeback payout system.

Basically i dont know rooms, whose dont have daily or weekly leaderboards and dont give back some extra rakeback to players whose play there regularly, except ps. Some even have it for tourneys!

As you mentioned, hard to beat the fee, rake and make some profit, your 1,2% considered as good, but imagine if you add 3-6%+ from different kind of rakebacks. Know only one person who plays them on mid, high level regularly, he says without rakeback he can't make profit there and most of the regs profit from rakebacks...
 

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The 50/fifty on PokerStars have a reasonably low rake. 20c for a 3,5$, 32c for a 7$ and 69c for a 15$. Even so I have personally found them difficult to beat with the status today being just a 1,2% ROI over 1.182 games most of those being the 3,5$ and 7$ variety. It is worth mentioning though, that I was substantially down after 450 of them, so maybe I have actually learned to play them better, and my luck adjusted ROI might now be higher. But even so some kind of rake-back or other rewards like a leaderboard would for sure be very helpfull, and its certainly something to look out for when choosing poker sites, if you want to grind any format of SnGs.


Here is the party daily LB payout structure by BI levels, their point system depends on what you play and which position you finish the given sng. they have sat-sun weekend LB for double payout. anyway, theirs the smallest LB payout, but still something. GG and ACR pay more.

Also the ACR weekly last week result, it runs from Sat-Fri system, you get 1,5 points for a 6,6$ on demand multi sng, what are all turbos, so max 2 hours play 1 till headsup. If you play 90-100 from them in a week you reach the first LB payout, that's 50$, almost the hole rake, and they have the regular rakeback too as a plus, so basically you get back all the rake, fee, you paid. If you pay single table sngs, those are giving half points.

tried all 3, also the chico rooms long time ago, they have it in their lobby usually, 1/2-1 year ago they had daily LBs, didnt find any now on their homepage, but i dont play there.

And if you grind, or even play just daily 10-20 sngs, where is daily LB, it makes significant difference. just saying... without that, i cant make plus, even like that it is not easy...
 

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As you mentioned, hard to beat the fee, rake and make some profit, your 1,2% considered as good, but imagine if you add 3-6%+ from different kind of rakebacks.


I dont play those 50/fifty SnGs as my main game. I did for a short period of time but moved on to other types on SnGs, when I realised, they were not quite as good, as they looked. But I completely agree. Both with cash games and SnGs you really need to look at, where you pay the least rake including the various forms of rake-back and other rewards.

My situation is a little special, because I live in sweden, and regulated sites are not allowed to offer any kind of incentives here apart from a limited sign-up bonus. The regulated sites are PokerStars, 888 Poker, partypoker and our government owned "Svenska Spel". So on these sites its very simple, since I just basically want to play games with a low rake and for scheduled tournaments events with an overlay.

GG Poker dont operate in Sweden, presumably because they want to follow our laws and have not aquired a license. I can play on ACR and actually have an account there, but I am not a big fan of the software. The fact, they are unregulated, also mean, that in case of a dispute I would need to go to the gaming commission in Costa Rica to try and get my money back. And we all know, this is not going to happen. So playing on the regulated sites is for sure safer and more convenient for me, but I might eventually give ACR a chance anyway.
 
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I can play on ACR and actually have an account there, but I am not a big fan of the software. The fact, they are unregulated, also mean, that in case of a dispute I would need to go to the gaming commission in Costa Rica to try and get my money back. And we all know, this is not going to happen. So playing on the regulated sites is for sure safer and more convenient for me, but I might eventually give ACR a chance anyway.


The good, old WPN/ACR... i don't really play there anymore, but used to, that was my main place years ago. I complained a lot about them back in time... mostly for different reasons, like tourney selection, client crashes, stupid structures, only few regular tourneys what runs everyday in the same time/same gtd, insane long late regs, annoyingly slow satellites, generally tourneys even with 8max etc.

If i can't complain about something, that is definitely the on demand sngs, they run in the same structure since years: 9max turbo - the only 9max left there, one of the main reason, why I played them, when they changed everything to 8max - 30min late reg, 10% fee, what doesnt sound good, but the sng leaderboard gives back almost all if you play the right amount/week. And i like the simplified client, tables, better for multitabling without the plenty gizmos like in some other clients.

And the deposit/withdrawal options, methods are also something what about i can't say any negative thing. Generally never kept big amounts on my account in any room, prefer to make more often deposit/withdrawal. Because of the crypto option there, it is really good one, the deposits are instant (max 5 min), withdrawals never were more than 24 hours. And sure i made 100+ there. I think, i made transactions there in 10+ different cryptos. No fees at all for withdrawal, also for deposit, if you use the right ones with almost no transaction fee. Had some delay problem only once - don't remember which crypto was that -, but i wrote to customer service, they needed the transaction ID, and it was on the account pretty fast. If you are not familiar with crypto, not a big deal for daily usage, anyway, it will stay here, next to FIAT money or replace it, you will use it earlier or later anyway...

So going to Costa Rica, getting your money, is not a thing what about you should worry there. (Unless total bankrupcy, and in that case it doesnt matter they regulated or not, FIAT or crypto... but they are in the business for a while, so don't think it's a real risk.) Many Americans from CC, can play only there, didn't really hear any bad feedback because of that.
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I am also not overly worried about not getting my money back from ACR, but at the same time playing on unregulated sites is never going to be as safe as on regulated sites. This is just a matter of fact, and then its up to each individual, how much risk we are willing to take. Of course one can limit the risk by not having more money sitting in the cashier than really needed.

Do I think, ACR is likely to go broke? Not particularly, since they have been around a long time, but I still think, they are more likely to go broke and not pay players than PokerStars or even 888 Poker. And if top of that the TOS of ACR basically allow them to steal players money at their own discretion, and the only thing preventing them from doing it, is the damage it would cause to their reputation. This video is about GG Poker, but the TOS of ACR are very similar. The main point is, that with these unregulated sites players are totally at their mercy.

 
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