$3.30 NLHE MTT: Trips w/ weak kicker on flop. Unsure where to go w/ it

[Blobweird123]

Correct play all the way through? Seemed like I made the right choices I suppose. Maybe bet a little bigger on the turn? Say 1200ish?

Revolution Gaming Network - $3+$0.3|25/50 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 2,100 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 24)
Hero (CO): 4,365
BTN: 1,945 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: 1,850 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
BB: 2,406 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 1,737 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
UTG+1: 4,795 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: 2,000 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 25, BB posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has J:spade: T:spade:

UTG calls 50, fold, MP calls 50, MP+1 calls 50, Hero calls 50, fold, SB calls 25, BB checks

Flop: (300, 6 players) J:heart: J:club: K:club:
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, MP+1 bets 150, Hero raises to 450, fold, fold, UTG calls 450, fold, MP+1 calls 300

Turn: (1,650, 3 players) 5:spade:
UTG checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets 825, UTG calls 825, MP+1 calls 825

River: (4,125, 3 players) A:club:
UTG bets 412 and is all-in, MP+1 raises to 775 and is all-in, fold

 

[Blobweird123]

Guess with no responses I can assume it was played ok?

 

[ScottishMatt]

I'm not a tourney guy but I I'd play it the same way. Maybe like 1000 on the turn, other than that though it looks about perfect.

Edit - Maybe just ship the turn. The only better hands that really have you here are KK/JK . . . QJ/AJ probs don't flat the flop.

 

[Blobweird123]

Yea I suppose shipping the turn could be considered here

 

[vinylspiros]

Yea I suppose shipping the turn could be considered here

definitely 100% shoving turn.Theres no way your ever folding at this point so its kinda obvious that one of the two is on some type of straight draw/frushdraw. GII on the turn IMO.

 

[Blobweird123]

Well for shits and giggles, utg had KJ and MP had Q9 clubs

 

[ScottishMatt]

Yeah too bad. If river bricks your not getting away from your hand, might as well shove it all in on the turn and extract the maximum from the hands that you can. Unlucky Blob.

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

Hmm

Flop: (300, 6 players) J♥ J♣ K♣
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, MP+1 bets 150, Hero raises to 450, fold, fold, UTG calls 450, fold, MP+1 calls 300

This would make me wonder what their ranges are and if I would have those beat. It looks like your hand is good most of the time on that board ,but with all the action on the flop and the two players who calls I would be very cautious even more with the limpfest preflop.

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

Just cant say what is the best line on the turn think I need more stats, player reads and a bit dynamics but unless they are fish I am inclined to check behind turn , I'd probably would have played it the same on the flop.But I would have raised preflop in position with JTs.

 

[Blobweird123]

Yeah too bad. If river bricks your not getting away from your hand, might as well shove it all in on the turn and extract the maximum from the hands that you can. Unlucky Blob.

I folded river actually

 

[ScottishMatt]

Yeah but river didn't brick. If it did then you are losing your stack to KJ/KK. Point being that you are losing to them almost no matter what, might as well take the most from the range that you do beat. Hence the shove turn recommendation.

 

[Blobweird123]

Yeah but river didn't brick. If it did then you are losing your stack to KJ/KK. Point being that you are losing to them almost no matter what, might as well take the most from the range that you do beat. Hence the shove turn recommendation.

Totally, I just meant I folded in response to you saying Unlucky. Thought that you might've misread the HH and thought I jammed or somethin lol

But yeah if the river bricked KJ woulda had me

 

[mauikisi]

Well for shits and giggles, utg had KJ and MP had Q9 clubs

The way I see it I think KJ is the only hand that got you beat on turn as played.

There's no KK or JJ there because they woulda raised it pre, and I'd probably also take AJ out because after looking at their stats I think they woulda raised that too pre.

So basically the only hands that got you on turn is KJ, QJ and 55. QJ is very unlikely as I think that in this level ($3 buy-in) both players would defend this trip jacks on this flop (as you with JT), and try to put their stack in since there are many draws on that board. 55 is also very unlikely because I think that as played they would fold it postflop.

So, basically KJ is the only hand that got you there.

On turn it looked more like they had flush and straight draws. Maybe a KQ, KT, AT, kind of hand.

I think you played it well, maybe I woulda bet 75%-80% on turn, that way they would be commited to an all-in or fold situation and you can make them fold all of their weak draws.

If they call you with a Q9cc kind of hand (like one player did), then you're still a huge favorite to win the hand since he only has 12 outs.

They always call you with worse in that spot, like flush draw, KQ, KT, JT (chop), J9, etc. (unless KJ, of course, but remember, it is only one hand).

So I think you were unlucky and next time you have JTss with position raise it pre, that way you can shorten their hand ranges and also have more control of the hand post flop.

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

^^

Pretty much agree with you on the postflop part , but should you limp behind preflop or would you raise it in position?

 

[mauikisi]

I woulda raised it, JTss plays very good post flop and not only you can shorter their hands range a little bit, you can also make the blinds fold and have more control of the hand post flop.