$3.3 NLHE MTT: 66 UTG+1 with Tilted UTG shove

ZenGreen

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UTG player shoves 4bb after taking a bad beat the hand before so this should be light

I have 66 UTG+1 and an ackward stack size. I want to isolate this player

I dont want to flat, and I dont think any size beside a shove will discourage the big stacks behind me (well that one big stack is very active). Plus Im putting about 30% of the stack in with a normal isolation raise so I elect to shove here

Shove or fold is the only options to me but looking for opinions

Ignore that am crushed and suck out LOL!!

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1,600/3,200 (480 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 11,848 (4 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 99,841 (31 bb)
MP: 109,484 (34 bb)
MP+1: 34,605 (11 bb)
CO: 250,085 (78 bb)
BU: 30,620 (10 bb)
SB: 81,740 (26 bb)
BB: 24,575 (8 bb)

Pre-Flop: (8,640) Hero is UTG+1 with 6 6
UTG raises to 11,368 (all-in), Hero 3-bets to 99,361 (all-in), 2 players fold, CO calls 99,361, 3 players fold

Flop: (218,730) 5 5 7 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (218,730) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (218,730) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 218,730

Showdown:
UTG+1 (Hero) shows 6 6 (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 10%, Flop: 7%, Turn: 90%, River: 100%)

UTG shows 7 6 (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 11%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

CO shows A A (two pair, Aces and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 72%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

UTG+1 (Hero) wins 218,730

Is this the right play here or is this just spewy nonsense. I almost let it go cause of my position but spots like this make my head spin.
 
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Hello, I'm not sure if it is right game. I don't like situation like here, because we have weak pocket pair and some players behind us. I prefer fold pocket 66 from this position. I play like hero with +TT. As you can see one player behind you has better pocket pair than 66 and in this situation you had a little lucky. I play probably like hero if I were on cut off, button and blinds with pocket 66, because are less player behind us that can have better hand. So IMO you made here a very risky move. GL :)
 
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I think you have to protect your stack here as there are many players left to act behind you that can destroy you. You have one big stack and two other stacks behind that can either knock you out or decimate you. 66 is not strong enough to be able to handle being left exposed as you are with making this shove. On top of that, lets say your shove actually gets through. The UTG is probably shoving with any two cards yes but most of the time you will be flipping with them and it wont be quite as strong as a flip normally since 6s are lower in the card order and therefore have a slightly greater chance of getting counterfeited by larger two pair boards. Since we are exposing ourselves to getting called by better or flipping at best with a caller behind and most likely just flipping with UTG even if it gets through this is a fold.
 
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Very good, Thanks. Thats what I was debating in my mind Fold or shove. It seemed risky to me too. I just want to be sure these are spots I need (or dont need) to be taking, I have such troubles trying build a stack.
 
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UTG player shoves 4bb after taking a bad beat the hand before so this should be light

I have 66 UTG+1 and an ackward stack size. I want to isolate this player

I dont want to flat, and I dont think any size beside a shove will discourage the big stacks behind me (well that one big stack is very active). Plus Im putting about 30% of the stack in with a normal isolation raise so I elect to shove here

Shove or fold is the only options to me but looking for opinions

Ignore that am crushed and suck out LOL!!

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1,600/3,200 (480 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 11,848 (4 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 99,841 (31 bb)
MP: 109,484 (34 bb)
MP+1: 34,605 (11 bb)
CO: 250,085 (78 bb)
BU: 30,620 (10 bb)
SB: 81,740 (26 bb)
BB: 24,575 (8 bb)

Pre-Flop: (8,640) Hero is UTG+1 with 6 6
UTG raises to 11,368 (all-in), Hero 3-bets to 99,361 (all-in), 2 players fold, CO calls 99,361, 3 players fold

Flop: (218,730) 5 5 7 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (218,730) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (218,730) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 218,730

Showdown:
UTG+1 (Hero) shows 6 6 (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 10%, Flop: 7%, Turn: 90%, River: 100%)

UTG shows 7 6 (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 11%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

CO shows A A (two pair, Aces and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 72%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

UTG+1 (Hero) wins 218,730

Is this the right play here or is this just spewy nonsense. I almost let it go cause of my position but spots like this make my head spin.


11K is 10% of your stack. From UTG1 position pocket 66's there are two kind of plays with small pair irrespective whether you have a a player with small stack all in before you or not.

Tight: (Depending on stage of the tournament)

1) Call and see the flop. If someone raise twice the the big blind, call and anything above 3 bet is fold.

Aggressive:

All in which you chose and paid off but with 7 players behind you, my understanding is that only works 25% of the times.
 
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If this was a bounty tournament, it could make some sense to isolate the short stack even for 30+BB. However when you can only win his chips + the blinds and antes, the risk/reward is simply not there. I pretty much never cold call from EP, because its just inviting someone behind to squeeze. And when neither calling or raising is profitable, the only option left is to fold.
 
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