$.25 NLHE MTT: Tough spot for me

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With a shove and a call in front of me, I didn't think my tiny pair was good enough to call with. Seeing the flop didn't make me feel any better but we cannot play like that, right? I was in 2nd place here, I think. Didn't think calling off about 1/3 of my stack was optimal.

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(A few hands later I got it AI with 77 and lost a flip to KJs. Sigh. Probably the wrong play. So much to learn!)

NL Holdem $0.25+$0.02 (120000.00BB)
HJ ($484860)
CO ($483390)
HERO ($1192706)
SB ($388149)
BB ($1751531)
UTG ($1063398)
EP ($991834)
MP ($859548)

Dealt to Hero: 4 4

UTG Folds, EP Raises To $991834 (allin), MP Folds, HJ Calls $469260 (allin), CO Folds, HERO Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds

Flop ($1750294): K 4 7

Turn ($1750294): K 4 7 3

River ($1750294): K 4 7 3 Q

HJ shows: A 9
EP shows: A K

EP wins: $1243320
 
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Small pairs are hands, that should be jammed far more often than called, and this fold is definitely solid with two all-ins ahead of you.
 
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Small pairs are hands, that should be jammed far more often than called, and this fold is definitely solid with two all-ins ahead of you.

Yep. Thank you. I was definitely not going to just call. It was shove or fold for sure but with a shove and call ahead of me, my 44 didn't look so hot - at best I am flipping and could be it was 80/20 against a bigger pair. Just thought it was too much of a risk against the EP with almost 1 million chips. Losing here cripples me, pretty much.
 
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Yep. Thank you. I was definitely not going to just call. It was shove or fold for sure but with a shove and call ahead of me, my 44 didn't look so hot - at best I am flipping and could be it was 80/20 against a bigger pair. Just thought it was too much of a risk against the EP with almost 1 million chips. Losing here cripples me, pretty much.

Calling and shoving here is the same, since a call is already for 80% of your chips. I would also shove, if I was going to play the hand, but since it is essentially a call, I just wrote "call".
 
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With a shove and a call in front of me, I didn't think my tiny pair was good enough to call with. Seeing the flop didn't make me feel any better but we cannot play like that, right? I was in 2nd place here, I think. Didn't think calling off about 1/3 of my stack was optimal.

Thoughts?

(A few hands later I got it AI with 77 and lost a flip to KJs. Sigh. Probably the wrong play. So much to learn!)

NL Holdem $0.25+$0.02 (120000.00BB)
HJ ($484860)
CO ($483390)
HERO ($1192706)
SB ($388149)
BB ($1751531)
UTG ($1063398)
EP ($991834)
MP ($859548)

Dealt to Hero: 4 4

UTG Folds, EP Raises To $991834 (allin), MP Folds, HJ Calls $469260 (allin), CO Folds, HERO Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds

Flop ($1750294): K 4 7

Turn ($1750294): K 4 7 3

River ($1750294): K 4 7 3 Q

HJ shows: A 9
EP shows: A K

EP wins: $1243320


Hey TZ - I've noticed - and it makes it difficult to comment on all of your hands because the hand history you post does not contain the big blind level (example 400/800 ante 150) , nor the structure of the event (example standard MTT with 2 hours of late reg).

Maybe you can add that info in future hand histories because I think you post some really interesting hands. :)

With that said - I can't even count on both hands how many time in one session of MTTs I will fold 88s and below facing a jam and one or more callers, only to see I would have made a set. It's just how it is.
In this particular hand - you made the correct laydown as you should mostly always do with weak pockets.
 
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With a shove and a call in front of me, I didn't think my tiny pair was good enough to call with. Seeing the flop didn't make me feel any better but we cannot play like that, right? I was in 2nd place here, I think. Didn't think calling off about 1/3 of my stack was optimal.

Thoughts?

(A few hands later I got it AI with 77 and lost a flip to KJs. Sigh. Probably the wrong play. So much to learn!)

NL Holdem $0.25+$0.02 (120000.00BB)
HJ ($484860)
CO ($483390)
HERO ($1192706)
SB ($388149)
BB ($1751531)
UTG ($1063398)
EP ($991834)
MP ($859548)

Dealt to Hero: 4 4

UTG Folds, EP Raises To $991834 (allin), MP Folds, HJ Calls $469260 (allin), CO Folds, HERO Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds

Flop ($1750294): K 4 7

Turn ($1750294): K 4 7 3

River ($1750294): K 4 7 3 Q

HJ shows: A 9
EP shows: A K

EP wins: $1243320

Thank you for posting.

Mindset is a very important part of winning poker and this hand is an example of a mindset trap.

It is good that you are getting feedback to know for sure that this was a good fold.

What we need to be careful of is letting the "but I hit that time" thinking to influence us in future hands. When it does we stop trusting our skill and can start making mistakes like calling in marginal spots hoping to hit.

The loss with the 77 in a flip- sigh -wrong play- thinking suggests you are letting results impact you too much. A flip can be perfectly fine in a tournament. We have to take some flips to win most often.

The question is only-was this a good flip to take based on ICM? If yes then well done you.
Remember you are going to lose flips 50% of the time no need to question your decision making when it happens.

You are doing a great job of posting and growing-keep up the hard work.


Hope this helps
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Hey TZ - I've noticed - and it makes it difficult to comment on all of your hands because the hand history you post does not contain the big blind level (example 400/800 ante 150) , nor the structure of the event (example standard MTT with 2 hours of late reg).

Maybe you can add that info in future hand histories because I think you post some really interesting hands. :)
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Thanks Anmator. I'll try and do that going forward. I fill out that stuff in the form but I guess it doesn't populate in the post. I am always interested in what you have to say!

With that said - I can't even count on both hands how many time in one session of MTTs I will fold 88s and below facing a jam and one or more callers, only to see I would have made a set. It's just how it is.
In this particular hand - you made the correct laydown as you should mostly always do with weak pockets
 
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