$25 NLHE MTT: $25cents NLHE MTT: $25c NLHE MTT: 14 outs facing sb shove easy fold?

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$25 NLHE MTT: $25cents NLHE MTT: $25c NLHE MTT: 14 outs facing sb shove easy fold?

Hi guys how are you doing?

I though this hand was an easy fold as I played I thought that any top pair would put me far behing the villain but want to confirm with you if I played well...

There were 3 villains to close the action...

Now I did some simulations and I saw that any mid/bottom pair and even 2 pair didn't let us far behind in equity but should I consider that the villain could have the top pair??

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I like folding here. While you have decent equity against top pair or two pair, you are in poor shape against QJ, QT, 87 and especially KQ, and those hands are also part of SBs open jamming range. In top of that you also need to worry about the three players behind you, two of whom have you covered, so that you are potentially risking your entire stack against them.

It would really suck to call here and have SB flip over KJ, and then someone behind overjam with KQ, which leaves you with 2 outs to chop the pot. Those kind of situations, where we are drawing to a hand, that might not even win us the pot, should typically be avoided especially in multiway situations.
 
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This is a fold here since you are most likely behind and behind enough where pot odds arent there and on top of that you have too deep a stack to put it in. You must first think of hands villains would be doing this with that we are beating. Smaller pocket pairs to the board dont do this so that leaves you with draws and even those we are flipping with so there arent many if any hands you are ahead of. You will sometimes have the equity to call against certain holdings getting 1.5 to 1 on a call but that is the bottom of villains range. I like folding here unless you are short stacked (10 BBs or less and in this spot) then I think you can go either way and it is not too big of a mistake to take the gamble and get your chips in the middle. Remember though that villain is all in already so we have no fold equity. This would be a much different hand if villain bet and bet an amount that we thought they could fold to a jam. Not saying I would jam there if that were the case with the others still behind but it would be part of my thought process.
 
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Sometimes in tournaments, survival is more relevant than pot odds etc.

I like your fold.

And as fund said, you could just be drawing to a chop.
 
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300hp and fundiver summed it up pretty solidly



but i play and think slightly different ;lets analyze anyways

here is a range I'd give the limping SB
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now he leads out on the flop for 2x the pot
whats his range to do that all in with on the flop?

why it is 1/4 of his preflop range

and that 1/4th has a straight 37.7%
2 pair 17.9%
top pair 36.8%
oesd and pair 23.6%

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its a fold fold fold
q9 is crushed on all sides of the SB's range and needs to get very lucky
even if you were heads up this is an easy fold
especially when you take into consideration your initial investment is only 200 chips and the bet is 2600
and literally 100% of his new range.
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is better than your q9
you are deathly far behind the majority of his range
against j10
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if it was j2 then you are still behind
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against 87
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yep we beat that fold like a dead horse


fold!!!!!
 
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You played it well - the SB on the other hand played this hand terribly after the flop.
Fish often do this though - if he had such a strong hand he should have checked and let everyone bet - then jammed. He either has a flush draw - a hand fish love donk jamming with - or top pair with the straight redraw. Either way - you played it solidly.
 
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