Yeah agreed on the folding flop often, However i still believe that he will fold to a shove pre-flop a pretty big chunk of the time. In my experience with similar players they tend to push the money around in smaller pots(well small to them), but when shoved on they tend to wimp out, or just think "lol, you caught me"... So with that said, perhaps we can make our 4bet a bit bigger, to account for the times he folds the flop, so perhaps 4k and hope he calls, we get a bit extra for the time he misses flops, and will still flat a fair bit of the time..
Adding to that above, I definitely wouldn't be shoving flop if i paired up, i'd be again betting to induce. So i'd say we could also look into doing that even when we'd flopped nothing, as i'd say this type of player might try and
bluff us out of the pot. And since we're so far ahead pre-flop, we're likely ahead on the majority of flops. He will call probably anything if he does pair up, so he will call a shove anyway so we may as well induce him to bluff.
So maybe we raise to like 2700, making the pot like 5.5k or aroudn that, bet then like something ridiculous(especially when we flop a pair or better)... like making 2k and hope he shoves? To me, the flop doesn't really matter as we've already made our decision pre-flop. So i'm quite happy inducing all the way here, even if i'd flopped nothing.
") also i think my shoving range looks alot weaker than my 4betting range imo. "
Your percieved range is irrelevant here, he aint thinking about you too much. So you have to kind of assume what he might be like, then put yourself in his shoes. I'd make the assumption by the way he's playing that he's likely not a qualifier, more likely that he's just rich, and has money to spend. Also, by his stats and your reads, he's likely a bit of a bully, pushing his chips around without any real idea what he's doing.
So that said, he isn't thinking about your range. So he won't know that making it smaller is strong, or shoving is weak, or vice versa really. So we have to think if i were in his shoes. WOuld i carry on and call 8k on two random cards, or would i be more likely to get involved if it we're only a smaller raise?
So really i think we have 3 options which could be the best play here.. i also think there are pros and cons of each, so at the end of the day, we can't make a mistake with shoving, so the question is, will he put more money in, more often by doing the two plays below, and will that account for the times we let him see the flop and hit a pair and win?
Making the 4bet smaller, then inducing on the flop with nothing, and with pairs and better. Or alternatively just shove the flop(though i don't like this as much since we kind of agree he will fold a lot when he whiffs, so i'd prefer making the 4bet bigger to gain a few extra chips)
Making 4bet larger, then just shoving the flop(or inducing again with pair hands, it might look silly to bet like 1k into an 8k pot, but if it gets him to put chips in, who cares?)
Shoving pre.
I hope this is making sense, i'm in a rush and don't have time to screw around making it readable.