$2.25 NLHE: $ : Look what i folded !!

[andosalado]

$2.25 NL HE: $ : Look what i folded !!

pokerstars Game #30567808319: Tournament #180079316, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/07/17 16:05:08 BRT [2009/07/17 15:05:08 ET]
Table '180079316 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: i-Dodger (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: andosalado (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: makiabelo86 (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: MAMBO4V (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Oette08 (1430 in chips)
Seat 6: HuHoJa (1480 in chips)
Seat 7: henhay (1460 in chips)
Seat 8: dry76 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Gypsy-Skippy (1730 in chips)
HuHoJa: posts small blind 10
henhay: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andosalado [Ad Ah]
dry76: calls 20
Gypsy-Skippy: calls 20
i-Dodger: folds
andosalado: raises 80 to 100
makiabelo86: folds
MAMBO4V: folds
Oette08: folds
HuHoJa: calls 90
henhay: folds
dry76: calls 80
Gypsy-Skippy: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [7c 7d 8h]
HuHoJa: checks
dry76: checks
Gypsy-Skippy: bets 80
andosalado: calls 80
HuHoJa: raises 340 to 420
dry76: folds
Gypsy-Skippy: calls 340
andosalado: folds
*** TURN *** [7c 7d 8h] 3♥
HuHoJa: checks
Gypsy-Skippy: checks
*** RIVER *** [7c 7d 8h 3h] K♣
HuHoJa: checks
Gypsy-Skippy: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HuHoJa: shows [2d 2h] (two pair, Sevens and Deuces)
Gypsy-Skippy: shows [9d 8d] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
Gypsy-Skippy collected 1340 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1340 | Rake 0
Board [7c 7d 8h 3h Kc]
Seat 1: i-Dodger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: andosalado folded on the Flop
Seat 3: makiabelo86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MAMBO4V folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Oette08 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: HuHoJa (small blind) showed [2d 2h] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Deuces
Seat 7: henhay (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: dry76 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Gypsy-Skippy showed [9d 8d] and won (1340) with two pair, Eights and Sevens


I couldn't believe the showdown.

¿I was wrong to fold?

After this hand i sitout for about 5 mins.

 

[JustRaiseTheBlinds]

Yes it was wrong to fold.
You just had to call 340 into a pot from like 1350.
You have the odds to call here to go to the river.
Also...Call/bet the minimum amount of chips (80 here) looks very weak, that's a strong reason for the turn raiser to do that raise.
(He can do this with air)
A strong point after this hand...you can lay down your monsters...it's a weak point of many players, they can't do that...

 

[andosalado]

Well i folded because there where 4 people in the pot and i wasn't so sure where i was in the hand. I think too it was a bad fold, even more after seeing the showdown.

But it was just the second hand of the sitngo and i did'nt wanted to go broke just there.

I end up winnig the tourney anyway, so no regrets now.

 

[kidkvno1]

you should of shoved... I was in the same spot with mid PP, and there were all low cards.
I would of shoved on it, just to try to take out 2 players
I have seen this a lot in SNGs, betting on a missed ACE, or betting high on low Pairs...

 

[Machinistguy]

My opinion is there is nothing wrong with folding here. It's very early in the tourney...you are confused in the hand and not sure about the other players. I use to have a problem laying down aces in any situation. It became a horrible leak in my game. I have fixed that leak. An example: Last night I was playing in my weekly home game. The game is full of donks (which is why I love to play in it) and I get AA early on. The flop comes 2 2 K. I had raised 4x the bb preflop and got 3 callers! 1 guy goes allin after another raises. I folded and it ends up the allin had a king. This used to woud have upset me. I wound up winning 2nd and went home with extra cash. I do not regret folding the hand. "Sometimes it's ok to fold the best hand." That's some of the best advice I ever got.

 

[Jillychemung]

My opinion is there is nothing wrong with folding here. It's very early in the tourney

Yeah the donk bet from UTG+1 really messes things up here and with 3 others in the pot this makes this hand very difficult to play. Without solid reads on the opponents it's tough to be aggressive here as you could easily only have 2 outs. For this flop with the donk bet, you needed to make a decision to raise or fold, just flat calling was the worse thing you could do. Next time use all/most of your clock to decide whether to continue with a raise or fold.

 

[spunka]

folding is fine, no mistake in that, a player can easyly hold a 7

preflop bet is a bit small, it looks fine as a 4*BB but when players (and in this case donks) have many chips they don't respect a bet of 80 when they hold 1500 maybe a nice bet of 200 - 250 would have the efffect you need as you don't want a pot of players in the pot.

So adjust you bet siezing to both the stack siezes and the BBs

 

[andosalado]

Yes i agree that my worst mistake was only calling the bet. I should have raised here.

Besides that mistake i think the fold is still correct. Pokerstars is full of donk at this level but you really never know against who you are playing so early in the sitngo.

 

[trewtrew]

flat calling the initial bet on the flop is very bad as it gives the third player in the pot odds to call and out draw u. u need to raise for information here. if u get reraised then u can fold assuming ur opponent has a 7 or eights full. As u just call it show real weakness and u get reraised by a far weaker hand and with the smooth call behind it does appear aces could be behind here but as it happens ur bad call on the flop resulted in u throwing away a hand which had two opponents drawing to just 2 outs each.

 

[Implied Odds3]

Well i definitely would have called, but not if they put me all in the next street. But i can also see a case for folding.
You should definitely raise the flop for info next time.

 

[ImolAyrton]

You made a good fold rais-rerais.. You have to lay it down.. you cant do anything about it that they are donks. You made a good decision

 

[andosalado]

Well i definitely would have called, but not if they put me all in the next street. But i can also see a case for folding.
You should definitely raise the flop for info next time.

Under these circumstances calling was not an option i think. If i call i'm commited to the pot anyway so is a push or fold situation.

 

[robert_wrath]

PokerStars Game #30567808319: Tournament #180079316, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/07/17 16:05:08 BRT [2009/07/17 15:05:08 ET]
Table '180079316 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: i-Dodger (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: andosalado (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: makiabelo86 (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: MAMBO4V (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Oette08 (1430 in chips)
Seat 6: HuHoJa (1480 in chips)
Seat 7: henhay (1460 in chips)
Seat 8: dry76 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Gypsy-Skippy (1730 in chips)
HuHoJa: posts small blind 10
henhay: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andosalado [Ad Ah]
dry76: calls 20
Gypsy-Skippy: calls 20
i-Dodger: folds
andosalado: raises 80 to 100
makiabelo86: folds
MAMBO4V: folds
Oette08: folds
HuHoJa: calls 90
henhay: folds
dry76: calls 80
Gypsy-Skippy: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [7c 7d 8h]
HuHoJa: checks
dry76: checks
Gypsy-Skippy: bets 80
andosalado: calls 80
HuHoJa: raises 340 to 420
dry76: folds
Gypsy-Skippy: calls 340
andosalado: folds
*** TURN *** [7c 7d 8h] 3♥
HuHoJa: checks
Gypsy-Skippy: checks
*** RIVER *** [7c 7d 8h 3h] K♣
HuHoJa: checks
Gypsy-Skippy: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HuHoJa: shows [2d 2h] (two pair, Sevens and Deuces)
Gypsy-Skippy: shows [9d 8d] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
Gypsy-Skippy collected 1340 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1340 | Rake 0
Board [7c 7d 8h 3h Kc]
Seat 1: i-Dodger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: andosalado folded on the Flop
Seat 3: makiabelo86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MAMBO4V folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Oette08 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: HuHoJa (small blind) showed [2d 2h] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Deuces
Seat 7: henhay (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: dry76 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Gypsy-Skippy showed [9d 8d] and won (1340) with two pair, Eights and Sevens


I couldn't believe the showdown.

¿I was wrong to fold?

After this hand i sitout for about 5 mins.

The situation is somewhat tricky, however I see you point in folding. What to do, what to do. Gypsy-Skippy opens on the flop with a standard bet od 80 into a pot of 300. It's likely he's betting the 8 instead of trip 7s. Here's the wrench, HuHoJa raises to 420. Wouldn't HuHoJa be more inclined to smooth calling 80 as oppose to raising anyone out of the pot? I would range him on 9/10, 5/6 or A/8 at best. A check raise on the flop would be more of an intelligent more here. Poker isn't always what you think it is, that's the beauty of this game. You were just out played.

 

[andosalado]

The situation is somewhat tricky, however I see you point in folding. What to do, what to do. Gypsy-Skippy opens on the flop with a standard bet od 80 into a pot of 300. It's likely he's betting the 8 instead of trip 7s. Here's the wrench, HuHoJa raises to 420. Wouldn't HuHoJa be more inclined to smooth calling 80 as oppose to raising anyone out of the pot? I would range him on 9/10, 5/6 or A/8 at best. A check raise on the flop would be more of an intelligent more here. Poker isn't always what you think it is, that's the beauty of this game. You were just out played.

I don't think betting a pair of deuces on that flop wasn't a play at all. It was just an idiotic thing to do. Even more after a raise preflop.

Those are the kind of players that don't win at poker. I don't think i was outplayed there. I made a mistake maybe raising to little or not raising after the flop, yes, but the other guys where doing everything wrong.

¿How can you out play somebody playing that bad?