$2.00 NL HE STT: Flopped straight and flush draw

[LuisBoaC]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

STT

Buy-in

2.00

VP$IP

21

PFR

13

AF

1

Currency

$

Villain Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/13/1
Villain's HUD stats from 142 hands. I'd say they're a fairly standard, decent TAG player.
I think there's an argument for not playing this hand at all. Maybe my flop c-bet was too large? I was getting the right odds to call Villain's turn bet but perhaps I should have fired again instead of checking there? How would you have played it?

pokerstars, $1.72 + $0.28 - Hold'em No Limit - 15/30 (4 ante) - 9 players
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UTG: 1,563 (52 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 1,369 (46 bb)
MP: 1,783 (59 bb)
MP+1: 1,429 (48 bb)
LP: 1,329 (44 bb)
CO: 1,439 (48 bb)
BU: 923 (31 bb)
SB: 1,576 (53 bb)
BB: 2,089 (70 bb)

Pre-Flop: (81) Hero is UTG+1 with Q♦ T♦
UTG calls 30, Hero raises to 105, 4 players fold, BTN calls 105, 2 players fold, UTG calls 75

Flop: (396) A♦ K♣ 8♦ (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets 238, BTN calls 238, UTG folds

Turn: (872) 5♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 262, Hero calls 262

River: (1,396) 8♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 314 (all-in), UTG+1 (Hero) folds

Total pot: 1,396
BU wins 1,396

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Normally its very standard to isolate a limper with QTs. However in this case you had 7 other people left to act behind you, and that makes the situation a bit problematic. The issue is, that because of the limper, you are putting out more chips, than if you just open raised. And all the players behind you can take advantage of that by 3-betting you. 5 of them can also call and take position on you, which is exactly, what happened in this case. So yes I do actually think, this is a fold, because you are in such early position. Another option is to limp behind, but that is only good, if the table is very passive, so that it often wont get isolated.

Flop
You flopped a 12 out combodraw, and you are only in real bad shape, if someone has a hand like KJ or K9 of diamonds. So right off the bat you are happy to stack off right now. Your C-bet is fine, and I dont think, sizing matter that much, so I am not going to analyse it. There is however an alternative line, which you could at least consider, and that is to check-jam. This gives BTN a chance to bluff, and it gives you some extra fold equity compared to a C-bet. And if BTN checks behind, you get a free card, which is also a fine outcome.

Turn
BTN has less than 600 chips left, and the pot is 872. 5c is not the ideal barrel card, but if you are ever going to have a bluff on the turn, then which hand is better to bluff than this one? I cant think of any, so for me this is an easy jam. And if he snaps you off with top pair, you still have around a 1:3 chance of getting there. I prefer jamming over check-calling, because maybe there is still a bit of fold equity. As played you have to call, when he bet this small.

River
You bricked and even though, you are getting a good price, you cant hero call with Q high. The guy has a hand here, otherwise he would have jammed the turn instead of giving you such a good price to continue.

Summary
I dont think, anything in this hand is all that bad, but I do think, slightly better decisions could have been made of the first 3 streets. Fold preflop, check-jam flop, jam turn. But at the end of the day its basically a hand, where you flopped a big draw and completely missed. Thats part of the game, and we will always lose chips in that situation.

 

[AlphaCentauro]

I don’t like how all of you people call your oponentes villains…

 

[fundiver199]

I don’t like how all of you people call your oponentes villains…

Its a common poker terminology.

 

[spunka]

As it is a STT you can follow fundivers points, but normally we do not bluff of all of our chips at the beginning of these.
in fact we do play careful, as we want to stay in the game as Long as possible, and this means we do play but not High risk play, and with that goes that we do keep the pot low, especially on wet boards, as people play strong hands a the beginning, here you do have a reasonable player. and villain that is not in there with nothing, when you raise 3x plus, which is a strong pre flop raise. (and your hand is not THAT strong) but very draw depending. so why not just limp along and see what happends.
Yes on flop you do improve your draw but it is still a draw, so why lead out that big, and if you do, (make it bigger and shove if opponent does not fold, and hope your draw will be a hand) but I would recomment keeping the pot low, that means OOP we check, and see what villan do, if bet is low we call, and give him the lead til we hit or miss, if he bets high we fold, live to fight another hand, the villains stat is from good player with a small 3 betting, which means that pot has a high chance of remaing low untill the end of the hand unlees you bloat it up. So keep pot low and that means our flop bet is too big for a drawing hand when villan calls our 3,5 x opening bet.

A STT is an outlast the other players game, let them make the mistakes, and let us play carefull and secure.

 

[spunka]

I don’t like how all of you people call your oponentes villains…

we use hero for our player and villain for opponent many pokerconverters use these names

 

[fundiver199]

A STT is an outlast the other players game.

Not so much, when all 9 players are still left, and we dont even have the starting stack. By accumulating a big stack early we can also find many profitable spots to apply ICM-pressure later in the tournament. So I am not really on board with this idea, that we should nit up completely and just try to fold our way to the money. That is hardly ever going to work, not even if the opponents are incredibly bad. With that being said Hero could just have folded this hand preflop. That would be completely fine.