Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/8/1.1

I ended up folding here because my opponents 3 bet is so low at 4 and I figured if he had AK here he would just jam here on the turn instead of going for half pot looking to get called.

Whats the correct play?




Yatahay Network - 550/1100 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3 : http://www.holdemmanager.com

BB: 65,082 (59.2 bb)
UTG: 523,101 (475.5 bb)
UTG+1: 123,852 (112.6 bb)
MP: 117,718 (107 bb)
Hero (MP+1): 115,187 (104.7 bb)
CO: 54,317 (49.4 bb)
BTN: 26,870 (24.4 bb)
SB: 81,095 (73.7 bb)

8 players post ante of 135, SB posts 550, BB posts 1,100

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,730) Hero has Js Jh
3 folds, Hero raises to 2,200, CO raises to 6,865, 3 folds, Hero calls 4,665

Flop: (16,460, 2 players) Td 4s 7h
Hero checks, CO bets 8,230, Hero calls 8,230

Turn: (32,920, 2 players) Ts
Hero checks, CO bets 16,460, Hero folds

Results: 32,920 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: Td 4s 7h Ts

CO wins 32,920

With stacks this deep I typically raise to 2,5 or 3BB preflop to get a bit more fold equity and avoid to many multiway pots. Other than that I can be on board with your line. I think, when the turn pairs the top card, and he bets again, you hand is really reduced to a bluff catcher. And he is on the passive side preflop, so I dont think, he has that many big multistreet bluffs in his range. This does look like AA or KK trying to get value from QQ or JJ. Or maybe even the occational trips or boat, if he got a bit frisky with his 3-bet.

Originally Posted by mk0523

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/8/1.1

I ended up folding here because my opponents 3 bet is so low at 4 and I figured if he had AK here he would just jam here on the turn instead of going for half pot looking to get called.

Whats the correct play?




Yatahay Network - 550/1100 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3 : http://www.holdemmanager.com

BB: 65,082 (59.2 bb)
UTG: 523,101 (475.5 bb)
UTG+1: 123,852 (112.6 bb)
MP: 117,718 (107 bb)
Hero (MP+1): 115,187 (104.7 bb)
CO: 54,317 (49.4 bb)
BTN: 26,870 (24.4 bb)
SB: 81,095 (73.7 bb)

8 players post ante of 135, SB posts 550, BB posts 1,100

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,730) Hero has Js Jh
3 folds, Hero raises to 2,200, CO raises to 6,865, 3 folds, Hero calls 4,665

Flop: (16,460, 2 players) Td 4s 7h
Hero checks, CO bets 8,230, Hero calls 8,230

Turn: (32,920, 2 players) Ts
Hero checks, CO bets 16,460, Hero folds

Results: 32,920 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: Td 4s 7h Ts

CO wins 32,920

Hello,

I recommend going for the check raise on the flop. By putting the check raise in on the flop you can fold out your opponents weaker hands like AK AQ and smaller pocket pairs. If villian call your check raise then I'd assume he has AA KK QQ. Without putting pressure on him after the flop and you just check call it allows AK AQ and suited A's to put pressure on you because you end up playing a guessing game as to where you are in the hand. Check raise the flop and be done with it if villian calls. Put pressure on your opponents and you will be amazed at how often they fold in these 3 bet pots. Weaker players fold to often to plays like this and if opponent calls with mediocre hands you will usually get to the river for cheap because a weaker hand doesn't wanna get check raised on the turn again. In general put pressure on your opponents and let them make the mistakes.

Im wondering do we 4bet/fold pre here since he probably jams or folds then.

I also like the above check raise on the flop,

I love all this stuff until they start calling it or raising it. HMM what am I doing if he just calls my C/R OTF. X/F OTT then or should we Jam OTT if he calls C/R OTF . I mean the flop and turn arent very wet

Think Im gonna be very happy or rebuying after this hand if I did any of this.

Something seems wrong about the hand when looking at as played but I cant finger it. 1/2 pot bet OTT from villan seems a bit unless he setting up a nice river shove. But knowing me I wouldnt be able to convince myself to fold OTT but I hate just calling bets that big so I might just be getting the rest of stack in here

Just curious if you call OTT are you leading out OTR.

IF I call turn I only have 22k behind to call. THe probably with check raising the flop here is if he does call are we just going allin on the turn or check calling it off? Leaves you with a weird stack size

Originally Posted by Brett R

I recommend going for the check raise on the flop. By putting the check raise in on the flop you can fold out your opponents weaker hands like AK AQ and smaller pocket pairs. If villian call your check raise then I'd assume he has AA KK QQ.

If a raise gets all worse hands to fold and all better hands to call, then its just spewing chips.

Hi guys,

P: 3x, as played flat vs 3bet is best, dont 4bet vs these types (21/8, 3b=4%), they have it very often
F: as played, fine, dont check/raise that flop vs very strong range, villain is passive pre and post
T: fine, nothing we can do here, we're vs very strong range and even if villain is 2barreling AKss AQss as well, its still a fold

These types dont 2barrel light. Bet-sizing looks value heavy as well.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

If a raise gets all worse hands to fold and all better hands to call, then its just spewing chips.

I understand your interpretation. In general in positions similar to this I prefer to play aggressive and not defensively.

If you look at villains bet sizing on the turn you know that they are going to jam their remaining 24k ish in chips on the river. So we must know this before we take any action on the turn. Knowing this I think the turn then becomes a jam or fold spot since we are still susceptible to overcards hitting if they do have AK or AQ which I doubt. I much much prefer folding here on the turn. The stats you post at the top of the thread have 1.1% 3 bet but you mention 4%. Either of these is a value only 3 bet range so the villain probably has AA-QQ a lot here. This is a fold which is no fun since we have an overpair to the board but it is the correct move.

Others have mentioned check raising the flop and I am highly against this move unless we are making up our minds right there that we are going with JJ no matter what happens. If we check raise to any amount that could induce a fold (say to 20k minimum) then that would basically commit villain if they call and also could induce them to just jam over us. If we are going with JJ then okay but I dont agree with just going with it there. Secondly if we do get the fold there with the raise then we have to be thinking what did we get to fold? Was it total crap or did we really get villain to fold AK? If it was crap then we made a mistake by letting them off the hook and even if it was AK we are ahead of that and could soak one more street of value from it.