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fundiver199
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Down to the final 3 in the 16.5$ "Voyage" on 888 Poker. Both opponents were solid regs. Pretty much hated the river card - until I saw his hand
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Villain would have got me for sure since even though they can and are wide here I would still think there are limited 3x in their holding and therefore I would have value bet on the river small.
Villain would have got me for sure since even though they can and are wide here I would still think there are limited 3x in their holding and therefore I would have value bet on the river small. I assume then I would have got raised which would put me in a tough spot but I would not be folding 2 pair easily there.
I do think a lot of the times you are forgoing value on that river by checking. Even if villain will have nothing a lot and just fold to your bet you still could get crying calls from hands that think you might be bluffing that have showdown value (even ace high). Im not a huge fan of checking the turn there if I am villain since there are plenty of river cards I would hate to see come out and if they did then I (the villain) would be in a tough spot if I bet and get raised or if I checked and faced a large bet. Of course no way villain could know you had a strong hand there but I think if I were them I would bet the turn. Players will be stickier 3 handed so villain can expect to get called wider when they bet the turn.
Its an interesting hand for sure with options for both of you on the turn and river that could be debated with good answers and arguments on both sides of the decisions.
That guy played it perfectly until the river, where he should have given you a hard time betting something like 100k because that's what you sometimes do with a missed flush or straight. It's hard to not call that with 2 pair so he missed on some value here.
Just wondering HP why you think the two pair would be good on the river, if the villain was a solid player repping the Queen, the paired 3 counter-fitted us. I would definitely check back as FD did - expecting the villain to win with any Queen.
I'm normally not the monsters in the closet type but as played he was repping the Queen and with the 33s I would nearly always just check back the river. :icon_thum
Are we only betting there when we have it or are we ever bluffing and what does villain think about our bluffing range? My small sizing might give away that its not a bluff but I personally think villain is calling a bet with a lot more than just 3x or Qx. This is 3 handed where Ace high hands have to be valued more and maybe they look us up time to time. If they think we are bluffing they do not raise our bet knowing we would not call their raise if we had biscuits. I just think its too simplistic to think villain will never call here 3 handed in this big of a pot with something other than Qx or 3x. If they are folding everything else every time then they are probably over folding. I could be wrong of course but thats how I saw this hand the first time I went through it. I dont hate checking back river at all.
I will also note that fundiver and villain are better players than I am but in this spot I am not checking the turn there when I have Qx on that board and where we are in the tournament. Therefore I do not think they are repping Qx as often as you might believe they are. Maybe I suck and that is how good players play Qx there but I wouldnt play it that way. I dont allow a check behind there on the turn with Qx and a free card of any K, 10, heart, or board pairing would make me at least a little nervous.