$150 NL HE MTT: Day 1 GGMasters | A8s in MP

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This is an interesting one, it's at the level 4 of this day 1 tournament and I don't have much info on the BB only that he has a VPIP of 33 from 25 hands played thanks to GG HUD.

Pre-flop: I believe that in my position with the stack that I have this is a standard open, and even if I get 3-bet I will call and evaluate post flop.

Flop: SB and BB decide to call. Here I do believe that there ranges are pretty much standard and since I hit an A on the flop I do C-bet almost 100% of time when they check to me.
I am curios how much do you guys bet here? 1/3 pot or 1/2 pot or even 2/3 pot?

Turn: The BB calls me here and :jc4:, now BB checks to me and I decide to check back thinking that I have a strong hand (probably the best hand) and I don't want to bet since I don't think that he calls me with something worst then my hand, so I check back.

River: Now that :6d4: is not a bad card but not a good one either. What do you guys do here when BB bets 1/3 pot?

I will post my action later :) after I hear your guys feedback.


GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 26,374 (264 bb)
UTG+1: 1,975 (20 bb)
MP (Hero): 13,395 (134 bb)
MP+1: 10,682 (107 bb)
CO: 9,332 (93 bb)
BU: 8,801 (88 bb)
SB: 8,021 (80 bb)
BB: 10,422 (104 bb)

Pre-Flop:
(246) Hero is MP with A 8
2 players fold, Hero raises to 250, 3 players fold, SB calls 200, BB calls 150

Flop: (846) 9 7 A (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 363, SB folds, BB calls 363

Turn: (1,572) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River:
(1,572) 6 (2 players)
BB bets 519, Hero ?
 
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Preflop: Perfectly fine to open A8s here. With the stack sizes as big as they are, we can even raise to 3bb, but 2.5bb is good, too as it allows you to open more hands profitably.

Flop: I prefer a larger bet here - your bet is not big enough to make calling with a straight draw, especially if they have a back door flush draw as well. I find your sizing interesting as it is neither small or large. What hands are you trying to get to fold? What hands are you trying to get to call you?

Turn: This is a great card for you as it gives you a straight draw and the nut flush draw. I would be betting large here, planning to blast river on any C, T or complete blank.

River: This looks like a bad card on the face of it, but really all you need to be worried about here is hands like 76 that just made 2 pair. T8 already made a straight on the turn and there's only 3 combos of 85s as you block clubs. This feels like villain taking a stab on the river after you showed weakness on the turn. I would call expecting to see a J or a 9 or a busted draw quite often. Of course, sometimes they will have binked a straight or 2 pair, but overall you're making money calling here.
 
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This is an interesting one, it's at the level 4 of this day 1 tournament and I don't have much info on the BB only that he has a VPIP of 33 from 25 hands played thanks to GG HUD.

Pre-flop: I believe that in my position with the stack that I have this is a standard open, and even if I get 3-bet I will call and evaluate post flop.

Flop: SB and BB decide to call. Here I do believe that there ranges are pretty much standard and since I hit an A on the flop I do C-bet almost 100% of time when they check to me.
I am curios how much do you guys bet here? 1/3 pot or 1/2 pot or even 2/3 pot?

Turn: The BB calls me here and :jc4:, now BB checks to me and I decide to check back thinking that I have a strong hand (probably the best hand) and I don't want to bet since I don't think that he calls me with something worst then my hand, so I check back.

River: Now that :6d4: is not a bad card but not a good one either. What do you guys do here when BB bets 1/3 pot?

I will post my action later :) after I hear your guys feedback.


GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 26,374 (264 bb)
UTG+1: 1,975 (20 bb)
MP (Hero): 13,395 (134 bb)
MP+1: 10,682 (107 bb)
CO: 9,332 (93 bb)
BU: 8,801 (88 bb)
SB: 8,021 (80 bb)
BB: 10,422 (104 bb)

Pre-Flop:
(246) Hero is MP with A 8
2 players fold, Hero raises to 250, 3 players fold, SB calls 200, BB calls 150

Flop: (846) 9 7 A (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 363, SB folds, BB calls 363

Turn: (1,572) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River:
(1,572) 6 (2 players)
BB bets 519, Hero ?
Simplified 3 way pot strategy has us betting 1/3 pot most often- We do bet larger vs 2 weaker ranges but the SB range is supposed to not be weak here

We are betting 60% of our range IP vs the blinds but only if the SB knows they have to lead 40% of their range- again tighter range so it is 40% of that tight SB range If the SB does not lead that often we are leading 40% of our range- At this stack depth we too have a tighter range

Betting here is fine when we choose 40% pot on an Ace high board we want to think about how that effects the BB call range-are they inelastic so is it the same call ranges as 1/3 pot- are they calling with their higher equity hands most often? Do they still call with 85 65 gutties etc?-

On the turn we could bet again as we do have a straight blocker and our V may call with JT on the flop- We also picked up equity on the turn so these factors will have us betting turn not always we can check as well

As played we want to consider what value we beat- does Jx bet here? What bluffs do they have-is it enough bluffs / value to call this sizing
 
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Preflop
Standard open.

Flop
C-bet is fine.

Turn
This was a good card, because it gave you a 12 out draw to a flush or straight in case you are behind. But it was also a bad card, because it completed the T8 OESD, which Villain can definitely have. Betting here has the advantage of building the pot for the nuts, but it also kind of reduce your hand to just a draw, because if you bet and get action, your top pair weak kicker is often going to be behind. Your hand also dont need much protection, so all in all I agree with checking back.

River
There are not really any busted draws here, which makes it difficult for Villain to find bluffs. But even so this is still a snap call. You are getting 4:1, and the whole reason, we pot control on the turn, is to have hands like this, that can snap off a river bluff or even a worse hand like JX or A2-A5 betting for thin value. If you called and lost, you most definitely lost the minimum. There is no reason to raise though, since you will mainly get action from better hands.
 
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What hands are you trying to get to fold? What hands are you trying to get to call you?

I don't want him to fold any hand, I want them to call with any 9x, 7x, 108, 86, A2, A3, A4 and I want to get information, also I don't want them to fold any packet pairs if they decided to just call pre-flop.

Turn: This is a great card for you as it gives you a straight draw and the nut flush draw. I would be betting large here, planning to blast river on any C, T or complete blank.

Ok, but what do you do if they raise your bigger bet on the turn? Do you call, fold or just shove the turn ?
 
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Thank you all for the feedback 🙏

Here is the full hand:

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 26,374 (264 bb)
UTG+1: 1,975 (20 bb)
MP (Hero): 13,395 (134 bb)
MP+1: 10,682 (107 bb)
CO: 9,332 (93 bb)
BU: 8,801 (88 bb)
SB: 8,021 (80 bb)
BB: 10,422 (104 bb)

Pre-Flop:
(246) Hero is MP with A 8
2 players fold, Hero raises to 250, 3 players fold, SB calls 200, BB calls 150

Flop: (846) 9 7 A (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 363, SB folds, BB calls 363

Turn: (1,572) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River:
(1,572) 6 (2 players)
BB bets 519, Hero calls 519

Total pot:
2,610

Showdown:
BB shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

MP (Hero) shows A 8 (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

MP (Hero) wins 2,610
 
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BB shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

MP (Hero) shows A 8 (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

MP (Hero) wins 2,610
So he did in fact have a worse hand for value, and this is why, we absolutely cant fold getting 4:1. Still dont see any reason to raise though, so everything looks completely fine here.
 
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Thank you all for the feedback 🙏

Here is the full hand:

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 26,374 (264 bb)
UTG+1: 1,975 (20 bb)
MP (Hero): 13,395 (134 bb)
MP+1: 10,682 (107 bb)
CO: 9,332 (93 bb)
BU: 8,801 (88 bb)
SB: 8,021 (80 bb)
BB: 10,422 (104 bb)

Pre-Flop:
(246) Hero is MP with A 8
2 players fold, Hero raises to 250, 3 players fold, SB calls 200, BB calls 150

Flop: (846) 9 7 A (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 363, SB folds, BB calls 363

Turn: (1,572) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River:
(1,572) 6 (2 players)
BB bets 519, Hero calls 519

Total pot:
2,610

Showdown:
BB shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

MP (Hero) shows A 8 (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

MP (Hero) wins 2,610
Our over all range equity when we bet is high on this turn and we want to be betting some bluffs so we can think about a half pot bet on turn here at this stack depth especially with this hand as we have a redraw to the nuts and blocking top pair and we are ok with gutties and 2 pair draws not getting a free card
 
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