$11 NLHE STT: 100/200a20 K4o -EV push

[FastandFurious]

poker stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100.00/t200.00 Blinds - 7 players - View hand 1302251
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UTG+1: t2263.00 11.31 BBs - VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, hands: 79
MP: t1760.00 8.80 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 1.9, Hands: 470
Hero (CO): t1370.00 6.85 BBs - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 987
BTN: t2540.00 12.70 BBs - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: Infinity, Hands: 79
SB: t516.00 2.58 BBs - VPIP: 15, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 78
BB: t3879.00 19.39 BBs - VPIP: 24, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 79
UTG: t1172.00 5.86 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 4.0, Hands: 79

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is CO with 4 :diamond: K :club:
3 folds, hero ??

BB: 4.0/23/13 Hands:78
SB: 1.0/16/8 Hands:78
BTN: inf/15/9 Hands:78

 

[cjatud2012]

Mehhh, the antes make it closer but I still think I fold. Blinds are almost t150/t300 adjusted, which leaves us with like 4.5bb's, so we do wanna be pushing here a lot... I dunno, it is close, but with three left to act (especially with the SB's stack being as short as he is, he might do something crazy and call wide, but actually be in good shape against us lol), and a junk hand we probably don't want to push.

The time before the next blind increase could change your answer though. Actually didn't Stars just change their structures entirely? That might lead to a totally different answer.

 

[BigThingWithHolesInIt]

I'd shove.
Let's say BB and BTN call with top 5% and SB calls with top 20%. We'd be picking up the blinds >70% of the time.
If called;
Against top 20% we are a 35% dog.
Against top 5% we are a 25% dog.

 

[losched16]

It seems antes are not involved yet. If they were, it would be an absolute shove. If they are not included, then the push is negligible in terms of EV. It really does depend on what the players' calling range is. We know the short stack is going to call light, and even though he is short, he still does damage to our stack. If you plug this into an ICM calculator with the stacks the way they are, this shove is slightly profitable if the bigger stacks are calling with less than 12% of their range, and the short stack is calling with less than 25%. So if they are calling wider than this, obviously this shove is -EV.
With that said, I tend to err on the side of pushing here. I think it is more important to shove from late position with a marginal hand than it is to wait for a better hand and have to shove through more players. Also, if you do not get that better hand, the blinds will hit you (either at their current level or at the next level, which is even worse) and now you will lose your fold equity. So I would rather shove in a slightly -EV situation anyway in order to preserve my fold equity

 

[BigThingWithHolesInIt]

Title mentions antes of 20 but they're not present in the history (or the pot)...

 

[Pascal-lf]

I jam with antes or without, we've got a K!

 

[DetroitJimmy]

It's close. I think it could go either way depending on what you think the remaining players are likely to do. Would much rather be shoving JT or even 67s. Still rather shove the weak K than a weak A cause less hands that will call will dominate you. I would shove if the blinds were getting ready to go up before they hit you or fold if they just changed. I only shove if I feel there is a really good chance that the 3 players left fold.

Okay now that I noticed the antes I think shove this hand. If not you need to shove the next halfway decent before the blinds hit you. Your M is ~3 so you can't afford to let the blinds hit you again. If you fold this and get crap next couple hands be prepared to shove ATC from UTG. Would rather go out swinging then get blinded out.

 

[FastandFurious]

Title mentions antes of 20 but they're not present in the history (or the pot)...

Yeah I don't know why it isn't present in the history.. Anyway, yes Stars recently changed the blind structures in STTs .. antes come in as:

100/200 a20
125/250 a25
150/300 a30
200/400 a40 etc..

 

[Pascal-lf]

It's close. I think it could go either way depending on what you think the remaining players are likely to do. Would much rather be shoving JT or even 67s. Still rather shove the weak K than a weak A cause less hands that will call will dominate you. I would shove if the blinds were getting ready to go up before they hit you or fold if they just changed. I only shove if I feel there is a really good chance that the 3 players left fold..

I'd rather shove K4 than 67s because with 67s you are never getting it in ahead with 7 high but you are with K high...

 

[ben_rhyno]

7BBs this is a fairly standard shove for me. You have a little bit of fold equity and aren't even near the bubble yet so ICM is slightly less of a factor (but I still think it's a marginally +EV spot and can't be passed upon here)

 

[WiZZiM]

With antes, we only have around 5 adjusted BB's here, We can't pass up this shove spot.