$11 NLHE MTT: Sunday Storm 8Js in SB

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Player stats after 124 hands:

VPIP 22 PFR 13 Limp pre-flop 3 Post-flop AGG 2.09
Flop C-bet 89 Turn C-bet 67 3-bet 5.88

Do you guys think that calling here is wrong?



pokerstars - 300/600 Ante 60 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG+1: 36,685 (61.1 bb)
MP: 11,689 (19.5 bb)
MP+1: 9,976 (16.6 bb)
MP+2: 8,424 (14 bb)
CO: 46,646 (77.7 bb)
BTN: 3,722 (6.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 68,469 (114.1 bb)
BB: 12,967 (21.6 bb)
UTG: 8,470 (14.1 bb)

9 players post ante of 60, Hero posts SB 300, BB posts 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,440) Hero has :8s4: :js4:
3 folds, MP+1 raises to 1,200, 3 folds, Hero calls 900, fold

Flop: (3,540, 2 players) :5s4: :3s4: :5h4:
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 8,716 and is all-in, Hero calls 8,716

Turn: (20,972, 2 players) :7h4:

River: (20,972, 2 players) :10h4:

Results: 20,972 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :5s4: :3s4: :5h4: :7h4: :10h4:
 
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Preflop
MP+1 only starts the hand with 16,6BB, and the player behind us only has 21,6BB. With stacks this short I dont think, there is ever a reason to just call from SB and play a pot out of position. If our hand is strong enough and/or have good blockers, we should move all in, and if not we should fold. I would jam, whats called "the magic range" in CC 30 day course, which include JTs, but J8s is to weak, so its a fold.

Flop
Since you should have folded preflop, you should not even have been in this spot. But as played we obviously need to make a decision, and the nice thing about facing a jam is, its a pure math decision. So first we look at pot odds and determine, that you need 41,6% equity to break even.

Then we pull out Equilab and assign him a range. And I think, its fair to say, he might be doing this with any overpair, a few combinations of trips like A5s, 65s and 54s, and then also all his flushdraws. And against that kind of range you only have around 36% equity, which is simply not enough. The issue here is, that your draw is not very good. If you had AJ of spades rather than J8 of spades, you would actually have 48% equity against the same range, which is a completely different story.
 
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Like fundiver said, you shouldn’t have to be in this pot, J8 to week to just call from sb, my opinion is clear fold, and wait for better spot.
 
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Player stats after 124 hands:

VPIP 22 PFR 13 Limp pre-flop 3 Post-flop AGG 2.09
Flop C-bet 89 Turn C-bet 67 3-bet 5.88

Do you guys think that calling here is wrong?



PokerStars - 300/600 Ante 60 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG+1: 36,685 (61.1 bb)
MP: 11,689 (19.5 bb)
MP+1: 9,976 (16.6 bb)
MP+2: 8,424 (14 bb)
CO: 46,646 (77.7 bb)
BTN: 3,722 (6.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 68,469 (114.1 bb)
BB: 12,967 (21.6 bb)
UTG: 8,470 (14.1 bb)

9 players post ante of 60, Hero posts SB 300, BB posts 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,440) Hero has :8s4: :js4:
3 folds, MP+1 raises to 1,200, 3 folds, Hero calls 900, fold

:5s4: :3s4: :5h4: :7h4: :10h4:

Thank you for posting

I erased the hand data because preflop is where we need to make the best decision.

When we review our hands to dive deeper we want to create a data list for each of our decisions

Data list preflop

1 Mp1 Min raises off 16 bb stack with shove stacks behind as well as two large stacks. How does that effect the range?

2 The BB has 20bb a squeeze shove size stack as well.

3 What type of hand do we have vs MP1?
What do we dominate that MP1 raises? How happy are we if we get stacks in with top pair?
How often are we showing down a no pair best hand?
How likely is it that we can bluff MP1?

So the data suggests us as having a drawing hand that could be dominated easily by MP1 range.
MP1 has 14bb left is that enough for us to have the right equity to draw to a hand?

All of the above data suggests 100% fold preflop.
As played the hand played out exactly how it will 66% of the time that we have a flush draw that is why we fold preflop. Why waste 16bb in a bad spot?

Hope this helps
:):)
 
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