$11 NLHE MTT: KK vs AA should I have flatted?

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poker stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 2395359
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BTN: t3915 78.30 BBs
SB: t8040 160.80 BBs
Hero (BB): t4225 84.50 BBs
UTG: t1841 36.82 BBs
UTG+1: t1475 29.50 BBs
UTG+2: t1445 28.90 BBs
MP1: t2744 54.88 BBs
MP2: t6490 129.80 BBs
CO: t2825 56.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with K :spade: K :diamond:
UTG raises to t175, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t175, 4 folds, SB raises to t422, Hero raises to t1000, 2 folds, SB raises to t8040 all in, Hero calls t3225 all in

Flop: (t8800) 2 :club: 6 :diamond: Q :heart: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t8800) Q :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t8800) T :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)


Considering how much strength villains repping, should I consider flatting the squeeze? I don't think I can fold KK preflop even vs the shove, but I am hating life when he does since its still earl and we both have fairly deep stacks
 
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The result would of been the same regardless. I think you made the right move!
 
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You can profitably GII with KK against pretty much every single range. Without a read here that says "villain only does this with AA and 0 other hand combos" its a pretty straight forward call, and even if I have that read, I'm probably still not flatting.

It's really likely you ran into aces and are just feeling really crappy right now, but don't. It's just a cooler dude.

I'm really not a fan of flatting the squeeze
 
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Blind vs. Blind I don't think you can ever give him too much credit for a monster that you're in trouble against.

So, what would be the rationale of flatting the suspected squeeze play? I feel his raise size is not big enough to get all the other players to fold, so you'll most likely be playing KK in a 3 or 4 way pot....yuck....

Would we flat so that we could get away on the flop if an A hits?...if that is your reasoning, then it is an OK plan as long as you're able to carry out the plan, but I think that is a kind of weak way to play KK....and wouldn't that suck if you let AJ or worse in there for cheap and then they suck out?

I think you played it great and it's just a cooler 99% of the time when KK runs into AA preflop...

same thing happened to me about an hour ago in a MTT.
1 raise, 1 caller, big stack "squeezes" from CO, Button flats the squeeze, I have KK in the SB so I jam....his "squeeze" was with AA. Oh well...I am 3rd in chips in the whole tourney and 2nd in chips at the table and I'm out. I'd shove again in a heartbeat....especially with so many other people interested in the hand you have to figure a couple of them are holding an Ace...
 
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Yeah you guys are right. Totally standard cooler here. flatting would be a bad play here.

Not really sure why I posted it at all, I must have been emotionally effected which is odd since I thought I was better than that. also maybe it's because its small blind who's raising a 4.3x utg open, which indicates a lot of strength but still never doing anything but trying to get a ton of money in the pot preflop with kings
 
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U can not fold here. Only 2 players a u have monster hand so u need call.
Cooler, it's hurts..




Maybe if there were more opponents u could think that someone had Aces...
 
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Flatting is not worth considering. KK is way ahead of the other players' ranges, and you really don't want to dilute your equity by seeing the flop multi-way, which is the most likely scenario if you just call.

I also make it somewhat more than 1000, partly to discourage multiple callers and also to taking into consideration what my stack to pot ratio will be if I get one caller like I'm looking for. Also, I doubt that the range to call 1000 is much different than to call somewhat more, so I want to charge callers more.
 
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Seems standard 2 me tbh.

Also fine with your sizing here.

WP ul.
 
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Flatting is not worth considering. KK is way ahead of the other players' ranges, and you really don't want to dilute your equity by seeing the flop multi-way, which is the most likely scenario if you just call.

I also make it somewhat more than 1000, partly to discourage multiple callers and also to taking into consideration what my stack to pot ratio will be if I get one caller like I'm looking for. Also, I doubt that the range to call 1000 is much different than to call somewhat more, so I want to charge callers more.

Both other stacks have these stacksizes.
UTG: t1841 36.82 BBs
UTG+1: t1475 29.50 BBs

Hero makes 1k which is 20BB do you really see both other players make a call here to a 4bet pre with these stacksizes?
 
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dont be result oriented, dude.

Btw seems std played, here you might never flat cos you have OR still in and it's true you are going to under-rep but you maybe going to hate life playing allin vs 2.

readless I won't do anything different then jam but I dont hide myself saying that as deep as you are, in a slow (obv good) blinds structure (12-15m) mtt I would have accurately considered any read had before act (and avoid saying it's std cooler, you wont never ever fold KK preflop in an online mtt)
 
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Both other stacks have these stacksizes.
UTG: t1841 36.82 BBs
UTG+1: t1475 29.50 BBs

Hero makes 1k which is 20BB do you really see both other players make a call here to a 4bet pre with these stacksizes?
Good point. It's not likely either will call. I think I still prefer making it more than 1000 though. Even if they both fold, which is the most likely scenario, I think I'm ahead enough vs. the SB's calling range to charge him more to continue. Plus I don't think making it 1200 or even a bit more will decrease his calling range much.

If he re-pops, making my 4bet a couple of hundred or a few hundred more won't matter since I'm getting it all in anyway.
 
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We also have position on SB, but think we must agree that we disagree on the sizing in this spot :D
 
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