$11 NLHE Deep Stacked: AQs on the button w/raise and caller in front

[Debi]

$11 NL HE Deep Stacked: AQs on the button w/raise and caller in front

Early in game and both of these players sat out for a while so no reads yet on either yet.

pokerstars Game #31050789730: Tournament #181767990, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/07/30 12:25:03 ET
Table '181767990 81' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ~ M.HER0LD ~ (4550 in chips)
Seat 2: kondor12001 (12690 in chips)
Seat 3: dakota-xx (6320 in chips)
Seat 4: kAAATTz (4990 in chips)
Seat 5: dunnud (4840 in chips)
Seat 6: Sarauw (6710 in chips)
Seat 7: jakmor (3420 in chips)
Seat 8: KingGraf90 (5000 in chips)
Seat 9: dzzyman (5010 in chips)
kAAATTz: posts small blind 10
dunnud: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Ac Qc]
Sarauw: folds
jakmor: raises 60 to 80
KingGraf90: folds
dzzyman: raises 60 to 140
~ M.HER0LD ~: calls 140
kondor12001: folds
dakota-xx: ???

 

[The Shrog]

This early, with a 4x raise followed by a min 3-bet, I like a fold. Especially when Herold gets in there, the original opener could pop it again and you've wasted chips.

 

[Jillychemung]

^^^^ ditto Why play a marginal hand in a potentially large multiway pot? Most likely you'd have to hit broadway or the flush to win and you are 75% to not hit the flop.

 

[Effexor]

I have no problem with playing this, or folding. You are all so deep stacked that you can afford to spend the 140 chips to try and hit a flop hard with either a flush or broadway. I think you have to assume you don't have the best hand right now, but it's ok to speculate for this cheaply. It's apparent that at least one person, if not a couple really like their hands, so you have good implied odds. If played, I'd treat it like playing suited connectors.

 

[The Shrog]

So, what do we do when we hit AJ7?

 

[Effexor]

It depends on the action, but I'd play extreme pot control and ditch it at the slightest resistance. The SPR is so out of wack that top pair type hands will not play well.

 

[Jillychemung]

I have no problem with playing this, or folding. You are all so deep stacked that you can afford to spend the 140 chips to try and hit a flop hard with either a flush or broadway.

How likely is it that it will only cost 140 to play? Given the previous action I'd say there was a good chance that the initial raiser could 4-bet to isolate against the donk min-raiser. It'd be pretty unhappy to call the 140 and then have to fold due to more bets.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

I have no problem with playing this, or folding. You are all so deep stacked that you can afford to spend the 140 chips to try and hit a flop hard with either a flush or broadway. I think you have to assume you don't have the best hand right now, but it's ok to speculate for this cheaply. It's apparent that at least one person, if not a couple really like their hands, so you have good implied odds. If played, I'd treat it like playing suited connectors.

You have 3 players in the flop. I would say this is the perfect opportunity to play this for this ^ reason. Beginning of tourney's like this lots of speculation going on with some marginal hands. This is a perfect spot for you.

 

[jaymfc]

I agree with you both but then there's this VVVVVVVV

How likely is it that it will only cost 140 to play? Given the previous action I'd say there was a good chance that the initial raiser could 4-bet to isolate against the donk min-raiser. It'd be pretty unhappy to call the 140 and then have to fold due to more bets.

if you're not gonna call much more I'd fold now . if you wanna gamble then you 4bet now and let the IR have a chance to fold his AQ or lower but with two raisers ahead of you and possible big pairs or AK I wouldn't wanna risk to much cause I'm not sure what flop I would be happy with except the nuts . I'm 2tight so I'd probably fold but it's early and they do gamble light so like always , go with your gut
my opinions don't add much but if I keep expressing them I may start to understand them myself then understand everyone Else's and then I'll make some good ones
when I try to answer one I flip flop back and forth and the truth is I have no clue what I would do unless I was there lol .

 

[Pokerdude420]

FLOP

With the pot at the size it is i would call..AQ in a multiway pot like this is worth seeing the flop i feel

 

[dufferdevon]

The only thing that makes calling tough is the initial raiser. The re-raise to 140 could be a big hand, who knows what the next caller has because AA or KK would re-raise imo, so I don't think he has either of those hands.
I would call and if the original raiser comes over the top ditch the hand, if he only calls you have great pot odd to see the flop. But as others have said, you better hit the flop hard to keep going, even top pair likely won't be enough.

 

[Jayson745]

I vote for call. The guy who raised first could have anything, and without a monster hes probably just calling the reraise. If he does happen to do something crazy, then who cares, fold and let the 140 go. You have plenty of chips.

 

[Debi]

This is normally a fold for me which is what I did. But after seeing the hand played out I got to thinking about it and wondering if since this was a deep stack not a double stack - should I have seen the flop for 140 chips.

It would have paid off nicely in this case lol.

PokerStars Game #31050789730: Tournament #181767990, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/07/30 12:25:03 ET
Table '181767990 81' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ~ M.HER0LD ~ (4550 in chips)
Seat 2: kondor12001 (12690 in chips)
Seat 3: dakota-xx (6320 in chips)
Seat 4: kAAATTz (4990 in chips)
Seat 5: dunnud (4840 in chips)
Seat 6: Sarauw (6710 in chips)
Seat 7: jakmor (3420 in chips)
Seat 8: KingGraf90 (5000 in chips)
Seat 9: dzzyman (5010 in chips)
kAAATTz: posts small blind 10
dunnud: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Ac Qc]
Sarauw: folds
jakmor: raises 60 to 80
KingGraf90: folds
dzzyman: raises 60 to 140
~ M.HER0LD ~: calls 140
kondor12001: folds
dakota-xx: folds
kAAATTz: folds
dunnud: folds
jakmor: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [7h Js As]
jakmor: checks
dzzyman: checks
~ M.HER0LD ~: checks
*** TURN *** [7h Js As] [Qh]
jakmor: bets 290
dzzyman: raises 290 to 580
~ M.HER0LD ~: calls 580
jakmor: calls 290
*** RIVER *** [7h Js As Qh] [Qd]
jakmor: checks
dzzyman: bets 80
~ M.HER0LD ~: calls 80
jakmor: raises 620 to 700
dzzyman: calls 620
~ M.HER0LD ~: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jakmor: shows [7d 7c] (a full house, Sevens full of Queens)
dzzyman: mucks hand
jakmor collected 3670 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***

 

[Poker Orifice]

At least you got some great reads on your opponent's here.... dzzyman with his 'min3-bet' and then min river bet/call.... whoa.

Early in a Deepstack tourney I might call in this spot but with obvious potential problem being that I am not closing out the action and that I'll need to hit the flop especially hard if I'm hoping to continue.

If in doubt,.... I rarely think folding is wrong in early levels.

 

[TheNoob]

For me it's fold city.

 

[pantin007]

seeing as u have pretty big effective stacks, this is a call preflop and obv we are not stacking off on AN AJ7 board, we will obv pot control the shit out of it

 

[ukaliks]

deep stack early its kinda a fold since ur AQ is dominated most of the time and what do u do if u hit a flop like 7A2? Sets are around plus ur out drawn to AK. ur only chances of winning this is hittin a flush or runner runner, which u would of. But what are the chances of that?

 

[StormRaven]

seeing as u have pretty big effective stacks, this is a call preflop and obv we are not stacking off on AN AJ7 board, we will obv pot control the shit out of it

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