$11 NL HE MTT: Sometimes you can’t get away 🏃‍♀️

[ratbat615]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

11

Game Options

1. Rebuy

Currency

$

How do you get away I needed a 3 instead of the 8
pokerstars Hand #238476795772: Tournament #3456603062, $9.80+$1.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (350/700) - 2022/09/07 13:21:28 ET
Table '3456603062 346' 8-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: D333Smith (49235 in chips)
Seat 2: ratbat615 (30683 in chips)
Seat 3: xaltepico (63154 in chips)
Seat 4: glontz180 (40983 in chips)
Seat 5: zlo3333 (53003 in chips)
Seat 6: tadeaus (28173 in chips)
Seat 7: doubble9999 (97479 in chips)
Seat 8: FF1legend (78147 in chips)
D333Smith: posts the ante 90
ratbat615: posts the ante 90
xaltepico: posts the ante 90
glontz180: posts the ante 90
zlo3333: posts the ante 90
tadeaus: posts the ante 90
doubble9999: posts the ante 90
FF1legend: posts the ante 90
tadeaus: posts small blind 350
doubble9999: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ratbat615 [6d 5d]
FF1legend: folds
D333Smith: folds
ratbat615: raises 700 to 1400
xaltepico: folds
glontz180: folds
zlo3333: calls 1400
tadeaus: folds
doubble9999: calls 700
*** FLOP *** [7d 4h 6h]
doubble9999: checks
ratbat615: bets 2635
zlo3333: calls 2635
doubble9999: calls 2635
*** TURN *** [7d 4h 6h] [8s]
doubble9999: checks
ratbat615: bets 6587
zlo3333: raises 15809 to 22396
doubble9999: folds
ratbat615: raises 4162 to 26558 and is all-in
zlo3333: calls 4162
*** RIVER *** [7d 4h 6h 8s] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ratbat615: shows [6d 5d] (a straight, Four to Eight)
zlo3333: shows [Td 9d] (a straight, Six to Ten)
zlo3333 collected 66291 from pot
ratbat615 finished the tournament
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 66291 | Rake 0
Board [7d 4h 6h 8s Qc]
Seat 1: D333Smith folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ratbat615 showed [6d 5d] and lost with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 3: xaltepico folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: glontz180 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: zlo3333 (button) showed [Td 9d] and won (66291) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 6: tadeaus (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: doubble9999 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: FF1legend folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[ratbat615]

Sorry guys here is the converted hand 🤚
PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 350/700 (90 ante) - 8 players
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FF1legend (UTG): 78,147 (112 bb)
D333Smith (UTG+1): 49,235 (70 bb)
ratbat615 (MP): 30,683 (44 bb)
xaltepico (MP+1): 63,154 (90 bb)
glontz180 (CO): 40,983 (59 bb)
zlo3333 (BU): 53,003 (76 bb)
tadeaus (SB): 28,173 (40 bb)
doubble9999 (BB): 97,479 (139 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,770) Hero (ratbat615) is MP with 6♦ 5♦
2 players fold, ratbat615 (MP) raises to 1,400, 2 players fold, zlo3333 (BU) calls 1,400, 1 fold, doubble9999 (BB) calls 700

Flop: (5,270) 7♦ 4♥ 6♥ (3 players)
doubble9999 (BB) checks, ratbat615 (MP) bets 2,635, zlo3333 (BU) calls 2,635, doubble9999 (BB) calls 2,635

Turn: (13,175) 8♠ (3 players)
doubble9999 (BB) checks, ratbat615 (MP) bets 6,587, zlo3333 (BU) raises to 22,396, doubble9999 (BB) folds, ratbat615 (MP) raises to 26,558 (all-in), zlo3333 (BU) calls 4,162

River: (66,291) Q♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 66,291

Showdown:
ratbat615 (MP) shows 6♦ 5♦ (a straight, Four to Eight)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 63%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

zlo3333 (BU) shows T♦ 9♦ (a straight, Six to Ten)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 66%, Flop: 37%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

zlo3333 (BU) wins 66,291

 

[fundiver199]

You could have gotten away preflop, but postflop is just a cooler.

 

[Andyreas]

65s form MP is quite a wide range to play. 🙊

And when the board has three following cards, possibility is always there that someone has a straight with at least one or two upper cards. So I'd never risk my whole stack for a lower straight.

 

[RidaPKR]

Hello ratbat615.
Your open raise seems a bit loose to me with 65s at LJ with 44 big blids of effective stack. Unless the players behind you are all NITS. My bottom open range here is 76s at 2.2x instead of a minraise.
When you want to analyze a hand try to think in terms of range advantage.
In this spot, what is your raising range and what are the calling ranges of BTN and bing blings?
In theory Hero should raise this preflop: 55+,A2s+,K4s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,A9o+,KTo+,QJo,JTo
BTN should call this: TT-22,AQs-A7s,A5s-A4s,K7s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,65s,54s,AQo-ATo,KJo+
Big blinds should call this: 99-22,AJs-A7s,A4s-A2s,KTs+,K8s-K7s,K5s-K2s,Q2s+,J8s-J2s,T8s-T2s,92s+,82s+,76s,74s-72s,62s+, 52s+,42s+,32s,AJo-ATo,A8o-A2o,K5o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,97o+,86o+,76o,65o,54o
On the flop 7d-4h-6h, BTN's range is advantaged with 34.81% equity against 32.39% for Hero and 32.8% for Big Blinds.

Excellent tournament players will never c-bet a flop that gives them less than 58% equity especially in multiways. Therefore, the best flop option in this spot is to check.
On the turn, the 8 is not the best card but you have to bet, say 80% pot to gain value on hearts, 7x, 8x, 6x, two pairs or three of a kind.
When Vilain check-raises all-in turn. We need to analyze the villain profile. If it's a maniac I call without problem. If he's a competent player, I can find a fold because I don't have the max game. But I admit that the latter is very difficult to achieve in game.
The 8 of Spades benefits the BTN range as you can see (53.2% vs. 46.8)

But 65s against BTN's range is clearly ahead.


That's why folding will be very difficult in game except for excellent players who know exactly what to do.

 

[makisaa]

A straight beats another straight. You completed your straight and the same time your opponent completed a better straight. Here you should be more careful, because you completed your straight with a 5 a low member of the straight, but your opponent completed the best possible straight, so you should consider this possibility. But you decided to risk and you just didn't win.

 

[fundiver199]

And when the board has three following cards, possibility is always there that someone has a straight with at least one or two upper cards. So I'd never risk my whole stack for a lower straight.

Obviously a higher straight is possible here with 98 or 85, but if BTN is a decent player, he should really only have the 4 combos of 98s. So I think, we are at least chopping to often to fold here. I would be more worried, if BB raised, because his range should contain all 16 combos of 98 and 3 combos of 85s as well. But then again he can also have more 5X than BTN, so we would probably still have to call.

 

[RidaPKR]

I would be more worried, if BB raised, because his range should contain all 16 combos of 98 and 3 combos of 85s as well.

Totally agree

 

[Matt_Burns88]

Note: my analysis is based on the assumption that there are no immediate ICM implications to consider and that villains are normal regular players, since you've given no information on them.

Pre-Flop: Personally for me your open is too wide. Playing hands like 65s from LJ is often going to wind up post flop in an easy fold or a difficult spot and I don't like difficult spots. That said, if you can navigate post flop well, and/or you feel like the blinds are very fishy, it's an OK play.

Flop: For me, this is either a check or bet large. Against two opponents, I would normally opt to check. You have a marginal made hand and a gut shot, on a board that often smacks BB's range in the face. I can get behind a large raise if you know your opponents are likely to fold a 6 (which is almost certainly better than yours) and some of their draws. A half pot bet doesn't really achieve anything, except make your opponents fold their trash that you already had crushed (note your opponents cant actually have a lot of trash in this particular situation apart from under pairs as even two over cards, still have pretty decent equity against your hand) or grow the pot with a weak hand and out of position to one of your opponents.

Turn: You get there - Yippee! Here I would bet small - You have a strong hand now, but it's not the nuts, at this point, you're either way ahead or way behind, so you want to keep your opponents in with the hands you beat, whilst giving yourself the chance to save some of your stack if villain rocks up with the T9. Generally, half pot bets don't make a lot of sense one way or the other. When betting you need to figure out what you're trying to achieve and then choose the appropriate bet size, small, big or overbet. Half pot screams of "I don't know what I'm trying to do, so I'll just do 50%". When BTN raises, this just screams strength to me because a) he has the table big stack still left to act behind him and b) more importantly, he's just put 45% of his stack in. Generally players are not likely to bluff with this sizing, they are much more likely to bluff shove. So at this point I would be putting BTN on AA, KK, 88, T9 and maybe QQ (really villain should be 3-betting with AA, KK and QQ so maybe we should not count all their combos of these hands). Of those there are 6 combos of AA, 6 KK, 3 combos of 88 and, let's say 3 combos of QQ for the times he decides to get aggressive with the ladies and then 16 combos of T9, so it's slightly more likely that he has a set or over pair that it is he has the nuts. With the pot odds, you're kind of left with no choice but to stick it in a cross your fingers.

I go back to my points about being too loose preflop and your bet sizing post flop.

• Fold pre-flop and you still have 43bb and well in the tourney.
• Check on the flop to avoid inflating the pot.
  • Or bet large on the flop and you get a lot of draws to fold (possibly not, villains exact hand with his back door flush draw to go with his straight draw).
• If you'd checked the flop, the pot would half only been 6,851 instead of 13,175, so your small bet on the turn is only 2,055, instead of 6,587. This in turn means villains raise is much smaller, say around 5,500-6,000, instead of 22,396, allowing you to call, instead of having to make a decision for your entire life.

I agree that this is a bit of a cooler, but there were also opportunities to get away from the hand with some of your chips in tact, especially pre-flop.