This is a discussion on £100 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: QQ IP facing UTG 4bet , early stage MTT within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Hand Analysis section; Live MTT, first orbit and no info on any player, Blind level 50/100, full ring , rebuy available. Opening stack for all the players are
Iím inclined to fold preflop to the 4bet. I know it sounds really nitty but youíre only beating bluffs; and you canít profitably set mine here and you canít profitably play QQ for 400 bb on itís face value.
Youíve only got 16bb invested. If he wants to risk 400+ bb on a bluff or overplaying AK or JJ then good for him
luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity
To me the combination of preflop 4-bet, position (UTG) and absence of info on the villain is more than enough to fold pocket QQ.
Talking about postflop implies talking about calling 4-bet. Assuming you are an underdog preflop the only way to get ahead is to hit a set; the chances of that are too low to consider paying about 100BB for seeing the flop. So calling 4-bet can only make sense if you can allow rebuy(s) and you are going to call the villain's all-in postflop no matter what.
Folding QQ preflop this early is not fun but what are you beating at this point. While folding this hand is a bit on the nitty side the truth of the mater is your fold was correct. You also really need to respect the UTG 4 bet. While there are some crazy players at the micros and in live play how often do you see this with 400BB deep stacks in a live game and this player bluffing. not often at all.
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I think our price is much less important than the fact that people just DON'T do this sizing with AK live. I mean it's the first level and he's comfortably putting in 1/4 of the stacks pre? It just screams of aces tbh. Possibly kings. But's almost certainly not queens, and it's DEFINITELY not jacks or AK. It's just not.
As missjacki has said, we aren't getting the odds to set mine, so just profusely thank the player (in your head) for telling you exactly what he has, and muck your cards.
Most of the live players at these levels have been conditioned to go for the kill with aces, not only because they're horrified of making any kind of decision postflop, but also because they've seen people NOT get away from coolers time and time again. Plus if they DO get it in pre and lose the hand to a worse holding, now they've got "the story" - "I got it in with aces pre in level 1 - yeah in LEVEL ONE. Guy had queens. He got there on the river - ON THE RIVER can you believe that?? Every damn time..."
They get to feel smart no matter what happens. They either win the pot, or they lose and have their bad beat story.