$10 S&G: Do you risk your Tny life here?

calibanboy

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I do not know anything about the Players I am playing against.....

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200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 33062419) - Mon Apr 23 16:25:03 EDT 2007
Table Table 130827 (real money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Calibanboy (2125)
Seat 5: fgasparp (4465)
Seat 6: Desteef (4765)
Seat 7: Lenny1664 (2335)
Seat 8: beni20387 (1660)
Seat 9: rs1985 (1020)
Seat 10: Glintz013 (3630)
Glintz013 posts small blind (100)
Calibanboy posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Calibanboy [ 7h, 9h ]
fgasparp folds.
Desteef folds.
Lenny1664 folds.
beni20387 folds.
rs1985 folds.
Glintz013 calls (100)
Calibanboy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 9d, 2s ]
Glintz013 bets (400)
Calibanboy raises (800) to 800
Glintz013 calls (400)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
Glintz013 bets (800)
Calibanboy...........................?? What should you do here?

I am looking for SitnGo Specialists to tell me If I should fold and wait for a better spot or put my Tourny life on the line ( knowing that anything but a fold is just that )
 
Irexes

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Here we go.

***** Hand History for Game 5904483930 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 33062419) - Mon Apr 23 16:25:03 EDT 2007
Table Table 130827 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Calibanboy (2125)
Seat 5: fgasparp (4465)
Seat 6: Desteef (4765)
Seat 7: Lenny1664 (2335)
Seat 8: beni20387 (1660)
Seat 9: rs1985 (1020)
Seat 10: Glintz013 (3630)
Glintz013 posts small blind (100)
Calibanboy posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Calibanboy [ 7h, 9h ]
fgasparp folds.
Desteef folds.
Lenny1664 folds.
beni20387 folds.
rs1985 folds.
Glintz013 calls (100)
Calibanboy checks.

No problem here...

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 9d, 2s ]
Glintz013 bets (400)

He's bet 400 at a 400 pot. He could have anything here, it's as raggedy flop as you can get but it's blind v blind so who knows? Only thing I would rule out would be an overpair.

Calibanboy raises (800) to 800

This is the worst thing you could have done. Pot is now 1600 and it's 400 to call, he's calling with anything at all (and twice on Tuesday's), whatever happens next is probably karma kicking you for minraising here.

What sould you have done? Puuuuuuuuuuush!!!!!!!! Pot's worth having and if you are behind so be it, but I would suggest that unless he has a 9 with a better kicker then you are ahead here.

Glintz013 calls (400)

Of course he does!!!!!!! He could now have anything.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
Glintz013 bets (800)
Calibanboy...........................?? What should you do here?

Invent a time machine and go back to the flop. He could easily have a worse 9 than you, he could easily have a king. I'm not giving advice on what to do here because you shouldn't be here. (for the record you pretty much have to call due to the size of the pot, but you have dug yourself a hole where you could easily be putting your chips in behind).
 
jayneseo

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I do not know anything about the Players I am playing against.....

At this point in the SnG you should know something about your opp. unless its a MT SnG and you just got moved but....

***** Hand History for Game 5904483930 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 33062419) - Mon Apr 23 16:25:03 EDT 2007
Table Table 130827 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Calibanboy (2125)
Seat 5: fgasparp (4465)
Seat 6: Desteef (4765)
Seat 7: Lenny1664 (2335)
Seat 8: beni20387 (1660)
Seat 9: rs1985 (1020)
Seat 10: Glintz013 (3630)
Glintz013 posts small blind (100)
Calibanboy posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Calibanboy [ 7h, 9h ]
fgasparp folds.
Desteef folds.
Lenny1664 folds.
beni20387 folds.
rs1985 folds.
Glintz013 calls (100)
Calibanboy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 9d, 2s ]
Glintz013 bets (400)
Calibanboy raises (800) to 800 <---- I'd either push here or fold
Glintz013 calls (400)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
Glintz013 bets (800)
Calibanboy...........................?? What should you do here?

I am looking for SitnGo Specialists to tell me If I should fold and wait for a better spot or put my Tourny life on the line ( knowing that anything but a fold is just that )

I would push at this point too much money in the pot and too big of a chance of a bluff or smaller pair.
 
Irexes

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One other comment (and sorry for picking holes here) how come you are this far into the SnG and don't know anything about the player to your right?

You should at least have an idea of how many hands he has played and how he won his chips.
 
calibanboy

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I agree that floppped top pair with a poor kicker is not a strong hand.

However the way that this chap has played this hand is fairly unconventional. So what hand do you put him to make the bets that he has in the way that he has?..........To me it looks liek he is trying to force me out the pot - if he had a hand he would be more gentile?

Also how would you have played the flop after his initial bet.
 
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Here we go.

***** Hand History for Game 5904483930 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 33062419) - Mon Apr 23 16:25:03 EDT 2007
Table Table 130827 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Calibanboy (2125)
Seat 5: fgasparp (4465)
Seat 6: Desteef (4765)
Seat 7: Lenny1664 (2335)
Seat 8: beni20387 (1660)
Seat 9: rs1985 (1020)
Seat 10: Glintz013 (3630)
Glintz013 posts small blind (100)
Calibanboy posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Calibanboy [ 7h, 9h ]
fgasparp folds.
Desteef folds.
Lenny1664 folds.
beni20387 folds.
rs1985 folds.
Glintz013 calls (100)
Calibanboy checks.

No problem here...

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 9d, 2s ]
Glintz013 bets (400)

He's bet 400 at a 400 pot. He could have anything here, it's as raggedy flop as you can get but it's blind v blind so who knows? Only thing I would rule out would be an overpair.

Calibanboy raises (800) to 800

This is the worst thing you could have done. Pot is now 1600 and it's 400 to call, he's calling with anything at all (and twice on Tuesday's), whatever happens next is probably karma kicking you for minraising here.

What sould you have done? Puuuuuuuuuuush!!!!!!!! Pot's worth having and if you are behind so be it, but I would suggest that unless he has a 9 with a better kicker then you are ahead here.

So, reinterpreting the question of the thread, at this point you would have been willing to risk your tourney life, at this particular point?


And then, from the SB point of view, if you have paired the 9 as well and are being pushed at, do you call as well, or let it go?
 
jayneseo

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I wouldve played the hand the same way as villian with any two overs, pair, any ace and probably any two cards. Half pot bet is gentile. Just seems like a lot because you have so few chips left.
 
calibanboy

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I wouldve played the hand the same way as villian with any two overs, pair, any ace and probably any two cards. Half pot bet is gentile. Just seems like a lot because you have so few chips left.

OK - so this backs up why , based on being in this position ( which a different flop play would avoid ) - you would call.
 
calibanboy

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So, reinterpreting the question of the thread, at this point you would have been willing to risk your tourney life, at this particular point?


And then, from the SB point of view, if you have paired the 9 as well and are being pushed at, do you call as well, or let it go?

I think the Sb is bound to call me if he has a nine if I push. For so few chips he is odds committed. ( and still has enough chips left if he loses )
 
calibanboy

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Here we go.


Invent a time machine and go back to the flop. He could easily have a worse 9 than you, he could easily have a king. I'm not giving advice on what to do here because you shouldn't be here. (for the record you pretty much have to call due to the size of the pot, but you have dug yourself a hole where you could easily be putting your chips in behind).

I think this is fair............
 
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So, reinterpreting the question of the thread, at this point you would have been willing to risk your tourney life, at this particular point?

I've never thought of things as "risking tourney life". It's much more likely than not that I'm ahead here, the blinds are getting big, I don't want him to see another card, the only bet I can make that has any purpose and doesn't leave me with too few chips is all in.

There's not much fold equity but there is a chance of being called by a hand you are ahead of (mid pair, 5x) or a weaker ace depending on your image and his skill level.

And then, from the SB point of view, if you have paired the 9 as well and are being pushed at, do you call as well, or let it go?

This really depends on the read, table image and a bunch of stuff including the kicker. If I've seen him make any kind of push bluff, or loose play or he has a high VPIP then it's a call, but I can see myself folding as well in other circumstances with anything less the K9.
 
calibanboy

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I had that horrible feeling when I was playing this hand - I knew that i was playing it horribly. ( eg did not exactly know where I was).

That said I really could not understand his play.

If he bet the flop with two overcards and then called the rubbish re-raise I made I do not think he woudl bet so strongly on the turn. His turn bet was in fact putting me all in. My thoughts were would anyone want to do that? ....surely they will let me hang myself if they have me beat.

Anyway - for that reason ( rightly or wrongly I Pushed as I just could not understand his play ) . I did not like it - but felt the overall odds were in my favour in this hand due to the way it had been played.

However, whilst I won the hand I hate the whole hand and will try and avoid this type of situation as much as possible in the future.



** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
Glintz013 bets (800)
Calibanboy raises (1125) to 1125
Calibanboy is all-In.
Glintz013: k 9
Glintz013 calls (325)
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
Creating Main Pot with $4250 with Calibanboy
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4250
Board: [ 5c 9d 2s Kh Jc ]

Calibanboy balance 4250, bet 2125, collected 4250, net +2125 [ 7h 9h ] [ a pair of Nines -- Kh,Jc,9h,9d,7h ]
fgasparp balance 4465, didn't bet (folded)
Desteef balance 4765, didn't bet (folded)
Lenny1664 balance 2335, didn't bet (folded)
beni20387 balance 1660, didn't bet (folded)
rs1985 balance 1020, didn't bet (folded)
Glintz013 balance 1505, lost 2125 [ 8s 7c ] [ high card King -- Kh,Jc,9d,8s,7c ]
 
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A king is way more likely to check raise than bet out. Plus any king thatd bet flop and call raise would now have 2 pairs and that means check raise would be way more likely 2.

Question remains if he has a better kicker 9 here.

Once you minraise flop and get called i dont think you can fold it. he couldve had like 10-9 here but pots worth having so i go for it.
 
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So, reinterpreting the question of the thread, at this point you would have been willing to risk your tourney life, at this particular point?

Yes, because (a) we're miles ahead of villain's range, (b) we have fold equity, and (c) even if we're not ahead of his calling range the pot is big enough for us to not mind just taking it there and then.

As some people have said, the minraise is godawful and you should be shoving this flop (and even calling is better than minraising). He's most likely not betting out at that flop with a huge hand, so you're essentially just worried about a better 9, which is a small part of villain's range.
 
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Wow that guy plays like a donk on a inside straight draw.
 
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