$10 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Shoving 99 with a Short Stack

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I am really only posting this 9 year old hand so I can have an example to use for our new Hand converter promotion. :)

Shoving 99 here with a short stack is a no brainer in my humble opinion - but if you disagree feel free to school me. :p

pokerstars, $10 + $1 - Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (50 ante) - 4 players
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victorp1986 (UTG): 180 (0 bb)
dakota-xx (BU): 4,470 (7 bb)
net32 (SB): 6,740 (11 bb)
kintgord (BB): 2,110 (4 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,100) Hero (dakota-xx) is BTN with 9 9
victorp1986 (UTG) calls 130 (all-in), dakota-xx (BU) raises to 4,420 (all-in), net32 (SB) 3-bets to 6,690 (all-in), 1 fold

Flop: (9,770) 8 2 3 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (9,770) T (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (9,770) A (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 9,770

Showdown:
net32 (SB) shows K K (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 79%, Turn: 88%, River: 0%)

dakota-xx (BU) shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

victorp1986 (UTG) shows 6 A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 24%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 7%, River: 100%)

net32 (SB) wins 9,050
victorp1986 (UTG) wins 720
 
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"but if you disagree feel free to school me" heh is here any other decision to make? I'm so proud of you Debi xD
btw. some instruction how to use this replayer?
 
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I am really only posting this 9 year old hand so I can have an example to use for our new Hand converter promotion. :)

Shoving 99 here with a short stack is a no brainer in my humble opinion - but if you disagree feel free to school me. :p

PokerStars, $10 + $1 - Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (50 ante) - 4 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

victorp1986 (UTG): 180 (0 bb)
dakota-xx (BU): 4,470 (7 bb)
net32 (SB): 6,740 (11 bb)
kintgord (BB): 2,110 (4 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,100) Hero (dakota-xx) is BTN with 9 9
victorp1986 (UTG) calls 130 (all-in), dakota-xx (BU) raises to 4,420 (all-in), net32 (SB) 3-bets to 6,690 (all-in), 1 fold

Flop: (9,770) 8 2 3 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (9,770) T (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (9,770) A (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 9,770

Showdown:
net32 (SB) shows K K (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 79%, Turn: 88%, River: 0%)

dakota-xx (BU) shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

victorp1986 (UTG) shows 6 A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 24%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 7%, River: 100%)

net32 (SB) wins 9,050
victorp1986 (UTG) wins 720

Thank U 4 Posting

Is there a tutorial on how to use the replayer and because I am lazy where would I find it?:)

So if this hand is a final table hand then ICM at 4 left is very important. The pay jump from 4th to 3rd is significant.

So if we look at the stacks in this situation we can take an alternative action here for ICM considerations.

UTG is all-in---BB cannot knock us out but the SB can.

So we could min raise and fold to SB shove assuming SB would not bluff raise preflop as the UTG getting knocked out is very beneficial for ICM to SB and our min raise should look very strong.

Of course the SB might think they can steal the pot preflop so we have to have made a trap like bet sometime earlier in the game. The SB has to be able to think we could min raise AA KK QQ four handed.

Just a possible alternative based specifically on stack sizes and ICM

Thanks for sharing.

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Hi Debi. 99 is a fine hand to shove in your last chips with. I've had to do it with many worse hands than that in the past...
 
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"but if you disagree feel free to school me" heh is here any other decision to make? I'm so proud of you Debi xD
btw. some instruction how to use this replayer?

Thank U 4 Posting

Is there a tutorial on how to use the replayer and because I am lazy where would I find it?:)

So if this hand is a final table hand then ICM at 4 left is very important. The pay jump from 4th to 3rd is significant.

So if we look at the stacks in this situation we can take an alternative action here for ICM considerations.

UTG is all-in---BB cannot knock us out but the SB can.

So we could min raise and fold to SB shove assuming SB would not bluff raise preflop as the UTG getting knocked out is very beneficial for ICM to SB and our min raise should look very strong.

Of course the SB might think they can steal the pot preflop so we have to have made a trap like bet sometime earlier in the game. The SB has to be able to think we could min raise AA KK QQ four handed.

Just a possible alternative based specifically on stack sizes and ICM

Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks - that all makes a lot of sense. :)

Here is where you can find the converter link:

CardsChat Hand Converter and Replayer is here!
 
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So we could min raise and fold to SB shove assuming SB would not bluff raise preflop as the UTG getting knocked out is very beneficial for ICM to SB and our min raise should look very strong.

Min raising and then folding with just 7BB is frankly spewing chips away. If we are that worried about busting in 4. place, then I would much rather fold the 99, preserve my stack and hope, that UTG and possibly even BB as well will bust in this hand.

But I am also jamming 99 here. For us to bust in 4. place a ton of things need to go wrong at the same time. First SB need to wake up with a hand, that is strong enough for him to risk most of his chips. Then we need to lose to SB, and finally UTG need to beat not only our 99 but also a better hand of SB to scoop the main pot and survive.

This time everything did in fact turn against us, but that is not going to happen often enough for me to want to fold 99 here. This is just a very unlucky distribution of hole cards and an unlucky runout as well.
 
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I think even given ICM pressure and whatnot that our hand is simply too strong to fold. If we are folding 99 in this spot we are folding a huuuge portion of our range here and it's a mistake in my opinion. Who knows, we may not get another chance this good with 9bb. I think almost any ICM calculator likely warrants the shove here. Running into Kings is just plain unfortunate.

The replayer is great. Looks just like another replayer I use alot - very simple to use, easy to convert and share hands. Nice addition to the site here!
 
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I am really only posting this 9 year old hand so I can have an example to use for our new Hand converter promotion. :)

Shoving 99 here with a short stack is a no brainer in my humble opinion - but if you disagree feel free to school me. [emoji14]

PokerStars, $10 + $1 - Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (50 ante) - 4 players
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victorp1986 (UTG): 180 (0 bb)
dakota-xx (BU): 4,470 (7 bb)
net32 (SB): 6,740 (11 bb)
kintgord (BB): 2,110 (4 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,100) Hero (dakota-xx) is BTN with 9[emoji813] 9[emoji815]
victorp1986 (UTG) calls 130 (all-in), dakota-xx (BU) raises to 4,420 (all-in), net32 (SB) 3-bets to 6,690 (all-in), 1 fold

Flop: (9,770) 8[emoji814] 2[emoji813] 3[emoji814] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (9,770) T[emoji815] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (9,770) A[emoji814] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 9,770

Showdown:
net32 (SB) shows K[emoji813] K[emoji814] (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 79%, Turn: 88%, River: 0%)

dakota-xx (BU) shows 9[emoji813] 9[emoji815] (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

victorp1986 (UTG) shows 6[emoji815] A[emoji812] (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 24%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 7%, River: 100%)

net32 (SB) wins 9,050
victorp1986 (UTG) wins 720
lol it have came! I ever wanted a hnd converter on Cardschat. Congrats team.
 
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yep. good shove!
 
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