$1 NLHE STT Turbo: 88s, shove UTG less than 10bb correct?

[pokgai]

$1 NLHE STT Turbo: 88s, shove UTG less than 10bb correct?

Blinds 400/800
Hero (UTG) (t3430)
Button (t4450)
SB (t4330)
BB (t3210)
CO (t1660)
MP (t2920)
Hero's M: 2.54
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8

, 8

Hero raises to t3405 (All-In), 4 folds, BB calls t2385 (All-In)
Flop: (t7140) A

, 7

, 8

(2 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: (t7140) 9

(2 players, 2 all-in)
River: (t7140) J

(2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: t7140
Hero shows 8d, 8h three of a kind, Eights.
BB1983 shows [ As, Td ]a straight, Seven to Jack.
BB wins 6,920 chips from the main pot with a straight, Seven to Jack.

 

[youregoodmate]

Yes

 

[doomasiggy]

this is a shove 100% of the time. you've got less than 5 bb, you should be shoving any two here.

 

[Logan2]

Agree on first part, shove 100% here. Disagree about shoving any two just because 5bbs left when still are 6 players and effective stacks are 2-5 around, we are in a hurry to get it in but not enough to gamble with any2 from utg vs other 5 players, is way better to wait to Btn or blinds to shove any2
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[WiZZiM]

depends on table dynamics, but you should be shoving really wide here. pretty close to an anytwo card shove here.

logan it's not really better, being put through the blinds here is horrendous for us obviously. The problem with waiting is that you may not get a chance to shove from the SB or button. so you are essentially just wasting time looking for a better spot than this, adding to that, you may actually be making things worse of for yourself, like you fold here, someone shoves on your BB, someone shoves when you are in SB, and suddenly you have just lost 1/3 of your stack and your shoving to maintain that stack you had before, it didnt really get you anywhere. But if you shove here and you win, you can now happily go through the blinds and again shove from the SB or button making your stack even bigger. If we do get called, with have equity no matter what, if we bust, who cares, if we win, we can now shove 100% on the shorter guys.


Also, most of the times these situations arise from everyone at the table playing tight (and also exchanging of stacks through all ins or whatever), it's highly likely this situation could have been avoided by playing way more aggressively through the middle stages of the tournament.

 

[doomasiggy]

Agree on first part, shove 100% here. Disagree about shoving any two just because 5bbs left when still are 6 players and effective stacks are 2-5 around, we are in a hurry to get it in but not enough to gamble with any2 from utg vs other 5 players, is way better to wait to Btn or blinds to shove any2
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any 2 was an exaggeration, but pushbot puts it at about 85% assuming these guys are calling the top 15% of hands.

 

[youregoodmate]

Try not to let yourself get this short, put pressure on tight players earlier.

 

[Jblocher1]

That shove is definitely right. It was your only option

 

[OzExorcist]

What WiZ and others have said above, snapshove and be glad you've got a hand this good to do it with.

Also, you should definitely be looking for spots earlier in the game to do the same thing so it doesn't get to this stage. Even in a turbo, getting to 400/800 blinds in an STT when you're still six-handed means the game is going crazy-slow and there's probably a heap of nits at the table you can exploit.