$1 MTT Question

[LuckyShark777]

Ok so what do you think Kenny had, and what do you think roddy had?
I always want to get my chips in with the best, did I make the right move on this hand?


pokerstars Game #9809757944: Tournament #49446971, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/05/08 - 12:20:43 (ET)
Table '49446971 135' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: KennyB99 (12810 in chips)
Seat 2: rokko21 (4200 in chips)
Seat 3: Vegas Buddy (4280 in chips)
Seat 4: TGSM (2420 in chips)
Seat 5: wiftywager (7765 in chips)
Seat 6: cledog1 (5365 in chips)
Seat 7: LuckyShark77 (6740 in chips)
Seat 8: BADBEATS4ME (6425 in chips)
Seat 9: roddy1985 (4145 in chips)
roddy1985: posts small blind 75
KennyB99: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LuckyShark77 [Kd Kh]
rokko21: calls 150
Vegas Buddy: calls 150
TGSM: calls 150
wiftywager: calls 150
cledog1: folds
LuckyShark77: raises 850 to 1000
BADBEATS4ME: folds
roddy1985: raises 3145 to 4145 and is all-in
KennyB99: calls 3995
rokko21: folds
Vegas Buddy: folds
TGSM: folds
wiftywager: folds
LuckyShark77: raises 2595 to 6740 and is all-in
KennyB99: calls 2595

 

[Egon Towst]

Depends on reads. If they are solid players, you`re up against AA, QQ, maybe the other KK, or (possibly) AK, AQ, JJ.

However, if these are donks in a $1 MTT, their range is huge. Small pairs, Ace-rag, etc., etc.

 

[skoldpadda]

Kenny has a pretty large chip stack, usually indicative at this stage of an aggressive loose player. I'm going out on a bit of a limb, guessing that roddy put you on a late position steal in a limped pot and has either a mid pair or bad ace. Kenny has the chips to call with ATC and as a loose player (my speculation) he will. His call of your re-raise makes sense since he is priced in.

 

[LuckyShark777]

Kenny is a loose player sees alot of flops, chases alot of draws
The other guy is a tight solid player

 

[skoldpadda]

In that case roddy probably has a big suited ace or at least 10s and up. Reraising all in with 8s or lower or anything less than AQ suited would be atypical of a tight solid player.

 

[joeeagles]

Laying down KK before the flop is one of the toughest things in NLHE. Worrying about AA is one of those things that will drive you insane, and you really have to have a great read on someone to make that assumption, if not, you must assume you have the best hand. This case doesn't look very complicated.

The big stack is a loose player and you will have 5200 side pot with him and a 13000 main pot, if my math is right, and your starting stack was 6700. This, to me, is an easy all-in, a no brainer.

I want to add 2 more things for luckyshark, since I understand he is looking for advice.

When you have big PP's like AA or KK, this situation, where you put all your money in before the flop, is the ideal, its want you want to do with those hands. What you want to be careful about is when all the money is going in after the flop or turn, particularly in multiway pots. In general, its always fine to make the pot huge before the flop with those hands, with very, very few exceptions. If you lose so be it, it won't happen every time. When for any reason you can't make the pot big before the flop, unless the board improves your hand or its favorable (ex. there are 2 dueces on the board) proceed carefully.

 

[Egon Towst]

Laying down KK before the flop is one of the toughest things in NLHE. Worrying about AA is one of those things that will drive you insane, and you really have to have a great read on someone to make that assumption, if not, you must assume you have the best hand.

I agree entirely, and in fact the original post shows that Lucky did go all in, which must be the correct move.

 

[calibanboy]

When you have big PP's like AA or KK, this situation, where you put all your money in before the flop, is the ideal, its want you want to do with those hands.

Agree.

Raise V.Big. Dont be dissapointed with the blinds.

 

[LuckyShark777]

PokerStars Game #9809757944: Tournament #49446971, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/05/08 - 12:20:43 (ET)
Table '49446971 135' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: KennyB99 (12810 in chips)
Seat 2: rokko21 (4200 in chips)
Seat 3: Vegas Buddy (4280 in chips)
Seat 4: TGSM (2420 in chips)
Seat 5: wiftywager (7765 in chips)
Seat 6: cledog1 (5365 in chips)
Seat 7: LuckyShark77 (6740 in chips)
Seat 8: BADBEATS4ME (6425 in chips)
Seat 9: roddy1985 (4145 in chips)
roddy1985: posts small blind 75
KennyB99: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LuckyShark77 [Kd Kh]
rokko21: calls 150
Vegas Buddy: calls 150
TGSM: calls 150
wiftywager: calls 150
cledog1: folds
LuckyShark77: raises 850 to 1000
BADBEATS4ME: folds
roddy1985: raises 3145 to 4145 and is all-in
KennyB99: calls 3995
rokko21: folds
Vegas Buddy: folds
TGSM: folds
wiftywager: folds
LuckyShark77: raises 2595 to 6740 and is all-in
KennyB99: calls 2595
*** FLOP *** [Jc 3c 8d]
*** TURN *** [Jc 3c 8d] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 3c 8d 5s] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KennyB99: shows [5d 5h] (three of a kind, Fives)
LuckyShark77: shows [Kd Kh] (a pair of Kings)
TGSM said, "ohh"
TGSM said, "kenny"
KennyB99 collected 5190 from side pot
roddy1985: shows [Qd Qc] (a pair of Queens)
TGSM said, "at the turn"
KennyB99 collected 13035 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18225 Main pot 13035. Side pot 5190. | Rake 0
Board [Jc 3c 8d 5s 9d]
Seat 1: KennyB99 (big blind) showed [5d 5h] and won (18225) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: rokko21 folded before Flop
Seat 3: Vegas Buddy folded before Flop
Seat 4: TGSM folded before Flop
Seat 5: wiftywager folded before Flop
Seat 6: cledog1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LuckyShark77 showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: BADBEATS4ME (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: roddy1985 (small blind) showed [Qd Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens

 

[calibanboy]

Thats unlucky. Its fair to say that the big stack who won this hand was fairly cavalier with his call.

That said had you gone all in initially the hand "may" have changed. Roddy would have called, but then the bigstack would have 55 and think he would be "mad" ( one step up from cavalier) to call two all-ins with 55.

The benefit of the all-in would be that you win the blinds and/or isolate a single opponent.

But hey - sometimes you do eevrything right and varience comes along and slaps a wet fish on your face.