$1.50 NLHE MTT: Unavoidable cooler? Or would you fold.

[Eclipsenz]

pokerstars - $1.29+$0.21|100/200 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 7,911.00
Hero (UTG): 5,145.00
CO: 2,995.00
BTN: 1,944.00
SB: 2,480.00

SB posts SB 100.00, BB posts BB 200.00

Pre Flop: (300.00) Hero has Th Ts

Hero raises to 400.00, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 1,168.00, Hero calls 768.00

Flop: (2436.00, 2 players) Tc Jc Qs
BB bets 6,743.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,977.00 and is all-in

Turn: (10390.00, 2 players) Ac

River: (10390.00, 2 players) Jd

BB shows Qh Qd (Full House, Queens full of Jacks) (Pre 81%, Flop 93%, Turn 93%)
Hero shows Th Ts (Full House, Tens full of Jacks) (Pre 19%, Flop 7%, Turn 7%)
BB wins 10,390.00


Villian won a triple pot early game and has played quite wide, repectable, but wide, he pops me back I feel had to call..

Now he shoves right into me, now I just thought, he wouldn't have AK I once tried stealing from position and check calls check/rr turn which said to me he had the nuts/strong hand, such a coordinated board though, I guess a smart thing is to lay down depsite possibly having the best hand as he could be shoving on draws here aswell or TPTK with gutshot?

 

[Eclipsenz]

Oh btw its 27man, 5 get paid, I'm sitting in third

 

[BlueNowhere]

What do you estimate villains 3-bet range to look like?

 

[Eclipsenz]

AJ+ tbh, I'd easily put him on KK and AA here aswell hes protecting his hand, well thats what I gathered. It could be many possibilities as like I said he has played quite wide and when the time he did have a strong hand against me he check raised the turn rather than shoving the flop.

 

[shinedown.45]

If I'm not mistaken, he just about 3-bet you, might as well said he did with only being 32 chips short of a 3-bet, and most times a respectable player will 3-bet with AA/KK/QQ from my experience.

 

[4thandinches]

Heads up and based on your chip count, I would not have played your hand any differently. Even though it was a very scary flop, you were heads up. And the only 2 hands that had you dominated were JJ or QQ. Unfortunately, he had one of those.
Even if he flopped the straight, you had several outs. But I am NOT throwing away my set in your situation, unless you both have a BUNCH of chips and he is putting most or all of them at risk.

 

[4thandinches]

AJ+ tbh, I'd easily put him on KK and AA here aswell hes protecting his hand, well thats what I gathered. It could be many possibilities as like I said he has played quite wide and when the time he did have a strong hand against me he check raised the turn rather than shoving the flop.

Exactly. There was also a very strong chance that he was sitting on pocket kings or aces. Nothing to be ashamed of. Take your loss and move on.

 

[Pascal-lf]

fold pre because of ICM (lots of short stacks), he's rarely going to be 3betting light given stacks

shinedown u might wanna check what 3bet means

 

[Rldetheflop]

Once I hit the set I don't think I can fold to a shove on the flop. I am probably folding this pre however. The BB is OOP plus we have a stack that can hurt him so I think he would probably be 3 betting pretty tight here. Basically we are set mining imo and we definitely don't have the odds for that.

 

[shinedown.45]

fold pre because of ICM (lots of short stacks), he's rarely going to be 3betting light given stacks

shinedown u might wanna check what 3bet means

OMG, I feel so stupid and embarrassed.
All this time I thought a 3-bet was a raise of 3x original bet.

But I still stand by my crappy analysis, he may not have 3-bet you but his raise of 3x your bet pre from a respectable player usually means a AA/KK/QQ

 

[Arjonius]

fold pre because of ICM (lots of short stacks), he's rarely going to be 3betting light given stacks

I wouldn't automatically assume that every player at this level is even aware of ICM never mind how to apply it.

 

[Pascal-lf]

doesn't mean we can't use ICM? just stick an and in between my two sentences

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

If I'm not mistaken, he just about 3-bet you, might as well said he did with only being 32 chips short of a 3-bet, and most times a respectable player will 3-bet with AA/KK/QQ from my experience.

I think you mean 3x.

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

fold pre because of ICM (lots of short stacks), he's rarely going to be 3betting light given stacks

shinedown u might wanna check what 3bet means

Sorry missed this

 

[youregoodmate]

Exactly. There was also a very strong chance that he was sitting on pocket kings or aces. Nothing to be ashamed of. Take your loss and move on.

Calling the 3 bet is close but a fold, considering you're playing 20% of your stack, you may have to call down tough boards and hes rarely 3 betting an UTG raise with much worse. His range is probably AQ+ (maybe AJ), 1010+. On the flop its bad luck but half of his range did get there, although you definitely cant fold.

But I still stand by my crappy analysis, he may not have 3-bet you but his raise of 3x your bet pre from a respectable player usually means a AA/KK/QQ

If your 3 bet range is QQ+ then you that makes you a nit and not a respectable player.