$1.5 NLHE STT Bounty: AK both hands..Is it OK to call the shove?

[skrsh76]

Hand #1
pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

CO (t1,790)
Button (t1,405)
SB (t2,179)
BB (t1,400)
Hero (UTG) (t1,950)
UTG+1 (t920)
MP1 (t940)
MP2 (t2,916)

Hero's M: 43.33

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, A

Hero raises to t90, UTG+1 raises to t920 (All-In), 6 folds, Hero calls t830

Flop: (t1,885) 9

, J

, 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1,885) 10

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1,885) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t1,885

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had K

, A

(two pair, Kings and nines).
UTG+1 had Q

, A

(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG+1 won t1,885

Hand #2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

BB (t2,840)
UTG (t1,580)
MP1 (t1,945)
MP2 (t1,935)
Hero (CO) (t2,110)
Button (t2,070)
SB (t1,020)

Hero's M: 46.89

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, A

1 fold, MP1 raises to t105, MP2 calls t105, Hero raises to t420, 4 folds, MP2 raises to t1,935 (All-In), Hero calls t1,515

Flop: (t4,020) Q

, 7

, 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t4,020) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4,020) 10

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t4,020

Results below:

Spoiler

MP2 had Q

, Q

(three of a kind, Queens).
Hero had K

, A

(high card, Ace).
Outcome: MP2 won t4,020

 

[horizon12]

Hand #1 this cooler Hand #2 this coinflip . Yes u played right
In both hand ., I would have played the whole stack , it is very profitable.
If we lose, it is important that we played correctly.

 

[WiZZiM]

These are both folds. There can be arguments made to call the first one, if we are good players, we can just let it go, we're only like 55-60% or something vs a random hand in spots like that.

In the second hand, we can 3bet smaller, but calling will always be a mistake in terms of equity.

unless you have really good reads, we can call sometimes when we know players have a lot of aces in their range, not really valid in these low level sng as there is such a big player pool.

 

[Arjonius]

These are both folds. There can be arguments made to call the first one, if we are good players, we can just let it go, we're only like 55-60% or something vs a random hand in spots like that.

The odds vs a random hand are only relevant if his range is any two.

And fwiw, AK is more like 65% vs atc.

 

[WiZZiM]

The odds vs a random hand are only relevant if his range is any two.

And fwiw, AK is more like 65% vs atc.

the point about ak vs atc was just to make a point about how weak ak is in huge risk all in situations.


thanks for clearing that up about %'s.

 

[Arjonius]

AK is only ace high

And your point is what exactly?

The strength of AK on its own (i.e. that it's just A-high) isn't nearly as important as its strength relative to what the opponents hold.

 

[konatus]

I would fold in the hand #1 and would call in the hand #2.

Hand #1:

We are on the early game with blinds in 15 / 30 and the chips that you win in the early game have less value than chips you loss. Most time I prefer raise fold in this spot. If the vilain is very loose I prefer to call. But in both cases you need study a bit of Independent Chip Model (ICM) to understand what I mean.

Hand #2

I prefer to call after a raise and a call. Because the ICM and because at least one vilain has a good hand and a coin flip in early game is not so good IMO