$1.10 NLHE MTT: not so sure about preflop flat and river decision

[tewwa94]

It's hard for v to bluff against 2 people for 3 streets so I think my A is dominated by a better AK or 2 pair, QJ or something like that, so I'm mostly confident on my river fold. Should I 3bet bluff villain preflop from time to time? should I just fold pre?

pokerstars - 75/150 Ante 15 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

SB: 6,347 (42.3 bb)
BB: 7,162 (47.7 bb)
UTG: 5,564 (37.1 bb)
UTG+1: 7,694 (51.3 bb)
Hero (MP): 6,809 (45.4 bb)
MP+1: 8,321 (55.5 bb)
CO: 3,636 (24.2 bb)
BTN: 1,013 (6.8 bb)

8 players post ante of 15, SB posts 75, BB posts 150

Pre Flop: (pot: 345) Hero has
fold, UTG+1 raises to 330, Hero calls 330, 4 folds, BB calls 180

Flop: (1,185, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 300, Hero calls 300, BB calls 300

Turn: (2,085, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 900, Hero calls 900, BB calls 900

River: (4,785, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 1,500, Hero folds, fold

Results: 4,785 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

UTG+1 wins 4,785

 

[300HPGOD]

Note the stack sizes of those left to act. The cutoff at 24 BB has a jam over stack that could jam if you call or if you 3 bet and the button is so small that they will be getting all in a lot here (not that it scares us at 7BB but we have to be aware of it). Unless you are prepared to call a 24 BB jam from the cutoff I think I would be in favor of calling behind here and then folding to a raise instead of 3 betting and then having to fold to a jam.

Villain bets very small on the flop (about 25% pot) with two spades on the board. To me in this spot they are either not worried about spades (they have two of them) or they have very little in terms of strength and it is just a probe bet to possibly get folds. Ax with no spades should not be playing such a small bet. I would tend to raise here to protect my equity and also to take control of the hand. I would do a small raise to 750ish which hopefully would get the Blind out of the hand and would establish control. I know with that small of a raise the initial better is calling but I am fine with that as we have the pair and if he has spades he isnt going anywhere anyway.

As played the turn card is probably a call but I think you can throw in here a smallish raise too just to get villain to slowdown. If they re raise the raise here it is an easy fold and if they just call the raise they will most likely check to you on the river and you can always check it back to get to a relatively cheap showdown vs what would have been a river bet. Not saying that is necessarily what I would do but it is a tool you can use to get to showdown easier.

I do believe the river is a fold as you mentioned as they are triple barreling into at that point two people. It could be a busted draw and there would be some hands villain would do this with that you beat but overall I think it is a fold.

 

[zuker]

Cold calling pre is bad idea. You often dominated. Raise or fold depending his opening range.

 

[eetenor]

It's hard for v to bluff against 2 people for 3 streets so I think my A is dominated by a better AK or 2 pair, QJ or something like that, so I'm mostly confident on my river fold. Should I 3bet bluff villain preflop from time to time? should I just fold pre?

PokerStars - 75/150 Ante 15 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

SB: 6,347 (42.3 bb)
BB: 7,162 (47.7 bb)
UTG: 5,564 (37.1 bb)
UTG+1: 7,694 (51.3 bb)
Hero (MP): 6,809 (45.4 bb)
MP+1: 8,321 (55.5 bb)
CO: 3,636 (24.2 bb)
BTN: 1,013 (6.8 bb)

8 players post ante of 15, SB posts 75, BB posts 150

Pre Flop: (pot: 345) Hero has
fold, UTG+1 raises to 330, Hero calls 330, 4 folds, BB calls 180

Flop: (1,185, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 300, Hero calls 300, BB calls 300

Turn: (2,085, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 900, Hero calls 900, BB calls 900

River: (4,785, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 1,500, Hero folds, fold

Results: 4,785 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

UTG+1 wins 4,785

Thank U 4 posting

There are 2 strategy errors preflop

First Your hand is a drawing hand vs a standard UTG range but you are sub 50bb in a tournament so stack protection is as important as chip accumulation so 3 bet fold or just fold are better options than call if you are not strong post flop

Second as others point out, you are calling in a bad position so it means giving odds to 2 many hands behind us and not gaining position on the initial raiser so we can make easier post flop decisions when we are not yet skilled enough post flop

Post flop

Our decision is on the turn not the river.
We lose to all of UTG standard AX raise hands now. We only beat KK all other big pairs made a set.
The V has bet twice on a board that crushes your range including straights sets 2 pair and AX
Vs 2 players not just 1
So if you call the turn you must think there are hands you can beat. The river does nothing to change that so we must call unless this villain never bluffs the river if this V has no river bluffs how likely is it that they have flop and turn bluffs into 2 players?


Hope this helps

 

[ammje]

My colleagues above say that it is better to do 3bet, but I am not sure, the range of utg is usually strong, I think it is a better idea to control the pot and call only, but depending on what type of player is the one who opens utg.

On the flop, I call against one player, but against two players, maybe it's a better idea to raise.
Because the villain's cbet is very small 300 in a pot of 1200.
Then we evaluate turn, if BB calls, and villain of utg too, you might already think that you are losing against a better Ace.

gl mate

 

[moshie]

If villain pre flop raise is AQ suited or better, I prefer to fold pre flop. If you 3 bet pre and he jamres you now know your no good at all. Post flop he doesn't need to bet more he may want to make sure a flush doesn't complete before committing more of his stack. Some players want to exercise some pot control with a hand that will bet all 3 streets.