$1.10 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Push from button ok? Bubbletime

[bhuelse]

Hiho,

I have played a deepstack MTT on partypoker. Only one player has to go for ITM.
I was 3rd place in the tournament and had chiplead on my table.
I pushed from button as a blindsteal.

https://mygame.mypartypokerlive.com/liveview/replayer?id=5e3189d5c2bd200b3d381d5b

Should I do such moves?

best regards

bhuelse

 

[Jon Poker]

I'm having a hard time figuring out relative stack sizes - cant tell what the blinds should be. If we were 3rd place in the entire tournament and the stacks behind us covered us - then shoving here is suicide! We are only getting called by hands we lose to and by flips we do not need to be taking at this stage. If we had 15bb (or less) or so and weren't in a solid 3rd place, then yeah we can take this line and the rest will be what it it will be - but when we are doing so well there is no point in taking this move just to face disaster once in a while - as was the case in this example. Just raise as normal and play post flop as normal - costs alot less than when we go broke here just because we found a pair.

 

[bhuelse]

Thanks Jon Poker, I was just trying to make a blind steal, and yes it was the completely wrong way.
Lesson learned!

 

[fundiver199]

As Jon Poker say, its not possible to analyse a hand like this without knowing the size of the blinds and antes. In this case the players in the blinds were the effective stacks, and their stacks were roughly equal. If they had around 15BB or less, then this is completely fine and standard.

Given that its on the bubble, and losing would be much worse for them than you, maybe you can even shove a little deeper like up to 20 BB, because they should fold a ton in this spot. But with anything deeper than 20BB, you should just make a standard raise, because your risk/reward gets to bad.

So assuming their stacks were 20BB or less, then this was completely fine, and it does not matter, that one of them woke up with AA. This is baked into the math, and even assuming, they call with 88, which some players might not do on the bubble, each of them only has a bigger pocket pair around 3,5% of the time. So this was just unlucky, and the result can not be used to evaluate, if it was a good play or not.

 

[SuzdalDEcor]

What about BB sizes? I dont understand. If you had 100bb+ its ofc bad push.

 

[Bozovicdj]

Even tho stack sizes are important, especially near the bubble, you still shouldnt open shove like that. If it is the stone cold bubble, you will get called by monsters easily, and you will lose so much of your stack.
Just betting from the BU is completely fine. There are ton of hands that would simply fold not wanting to risk it on the bubble, and all hands that are dominating you will get it in. So you either win blinds with a regular pre-flop bet, or you save 15bbs or whatever are the effective stacks SB and BB have.

For some reason, the numbers are all wrong in the replayer so it is hard to tell how big the stacks really are.

 

[moulan7]

Yeah, the numbers don't make any sense on the replay.

Just a raise of 2 to 2.5 bb is good enough as a steal, unless you have 10bb which is unlikely because you say that you are 3rd chip stack.
Just put a raise and you decide from there. Your all in, especially if you (and they) are deeper than 20bb will get called only by monsters or you will find your self flipping or at the very best you hope that they have 22-66 and they call xD.

Now, if you have 50bb and they both have like 10bb your move is not bad. They have way more to lose than you in that case.

Everything is situational, so without more info there's hardly anything to say here.