$1.10 NL HE MTT: QQ call or fold?

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

1.10

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

No info on the players, except the MP+1 who has 4 hands played at the table and he calls pre-flop in all of them.

This is a bounty tournament and is pretty much at the beginning. Do you guys think calling here is a mistake? They had a min bounty on them $0.25.

pokerstars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (18 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 4,862 (41 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 6,490 (54 bb)
MP: 2,974 (25 bb)
MP+1: 5,000 (42 bb)
CO: 26,352 (220 bb)
BU: 11,866 (99 bb)
SB: 3,495 (29 bb)
BB: 9,912 (83 bb)

Pre-Flop: (324) Hero is UTG+1 with Q♥ Q♣
UTG calls 120, Hero raises to 600, MP calls 600, MP+1 calls 600, 1 fold, BTN calls 600, 2 players fold, UTG calls 480

Flop: (3,324) 5♣ 2♣ A♠ (5 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP bets 2,356 (all-in), MP+1 raises to 4,382 (all-in), 2 players fold, Hero calls 4,382

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
You went to 5BB, which is quite large, but still got 4 callers. This is fine, when you have a hand as strong as QQ, but you might want to limp behind with more marginal hands with this kind of dymanic.

Flop
With 4 opponents its almost a miracle, if nobody has a A, so just check-fold and move on to the next hand. Maybe you can consider calling the jam from MP, if everyone folds, hoping to be against a draw. But when MP+1 has overjammed, you really should just be dumping those ladys like an ugly date on prom night

 

[300HPGOD]

Fundiver is right on the mark above where this is a spot where we have QQ and we want a caller or two but not half the table. As soon as the ace comes we know we are toast so this is a check fold and to be honest a really bad play to call here. There are crazy times that you will dodge an ace here (since we are playing with players who seem to like to get involved even with a 5x raise in front of them) but its not often enough to justify the call so this should be a pretty easy check fold. This call is a leak that needs to be fixed since calling here will usually bleed chips

 

[fundiver199]

There are crazy times that you will dodge an ace here (since we are playing with players who seem to like to get involved even with a 5x raise in front of them) but its not often enough to justify the call so this should be a pretty easy check fold.

Exactly. There will be times, where QQ is actually ahead here, because MP is jamming his K5 for no reason, and MP+1 is overjamming his JT of clubs, or something of that nature. But that happen like maybe 1 out of 10 times, and the rest of the time someone has an ace or occationally a set, and we are drawing to two outs. This is a really simple situation, where we just need to accept, that this is not the flop, we wanted to see multiway, and simply check-fold. In a 5-way pot we dont need to win more than 21% of the time to make a profit. And if the flop comes J52 instead of A52, then we get all the chips in as a favourite against someone with JX or a draw every single time. So we are easily winning this way more than 21% of the time, but we are not winning it 100% or the time, and we should not try to do that. Its called entitlement tilt

 

[ERIC C DA S PAIXAO]

The worst I always make the worst choice at these times

 

[mariussica88]

This call is a leak that needs to be fixed since calling here will usually bleed chips

Exactly. There will be times, where QQ is actually ahead here, because MP is jamming his K5 for no reason, and MP+1 is overjamming his JT of clubs, or something of that nature. But that happen like maybe 1 out of 10 times, and the rest of the time someone has an ace or occationally a set, and we are drawing to two outs. This is a really simple situation, where we just need to accept, that this is not the flop, we wanted to see multiway, and simply check-fold. In a 5-way pot we dont need to win more than 21% of the time to make a profit. And if the flop comes J52 instead of A52, then we get all the chips in as a favourite against someone with JX or a draw every single time. So we are easily winning this way more than 21% of the time, but we are not winning it 100% or the time, and we should not try to do that. Its called entitlement tilt

Yes, I agree that this is a leak in my game....and I realized that when I was reviewing my hands...that's why I put this hand for debate. This time I got lucky but in the long term I need to eliminate this kind of play from my game.
Thank you all for the feedback.

Here is the full hand:

PokerStars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (18 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 4,862 (41 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 6,490 (54 bb)
MP: 2,974 (25 bb)
MP+1: 5,000 (42 bb)
CO: 26,352 (220 bb)
BU: 11,866 (99 bb)
SB: 3,495 (29 bb)
BB: 9,912 (83 bb)

Pre-Flop: (324) Hero is UTG+1 with Q♥ Q♣
UTG calls 120, Hero raises to 600, MP calls 600, MP+1 calls 600, 1 fold, BTN calls 600, 2 players fold, UTG calls 480

Flop: (3,324) 5♣ 2♣ A♠ (5 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP bets 2,356 (all-in), MP+1 raises to 4,382 (all-in), 2 players fold, Hero calls 4,382

Turn: (14,444) Q♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (14,444) K♣ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 14,444

Showdown:
MP+1 shows A♥ 5♦ (two pair, Aces and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 27%, Flop: 67%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

MP shows 3♣ 2♠ (a pair of Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 12%, Flop: 22%, Turn: 10%, River: 0%)

UTG+1 (Hero) shows Q♥ Q♣ (three of a kind, Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 11%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

UTG+1 (Hero) wins 14,444