$1.10 NL HE MTT: KK in BB vs 2 players

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

1.10

Currency

$

This are the players stats:

MP played 12 hands at this table: VPIP 8 PFR 8 (GG HUD is displaying that he played 20% of his hands)
BTN played 11 hands at this table: VPIP 64 PFR 18 Limp 33 Post flop AGG 3 C-bet 100 Turn C-bet 100 (GG HUD is displaying that he played 58% of his hands)

What is your guys action here? (* I will post mine later )

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 250/500 (60 ante) - 7 players


UTG: 10,580 (21 bb)
MP: 24,661 (49 bb)
MP+1: 12,946 (26 bb)
CO: 15,707 (31 bb)
BU: 33,753 (68 bb)
SB: 6,360 (13 bb)
BB (Hero): 26,704 (53 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,170) Hero is BB with K♦ K♣
1 fold, MP raises to 1,000, 2 players fold, BTN 3-bets to 1,500, 1 fold, Hero ?

 

[Maximum]

All in .There is no other play I see a lot min 3bets and they are strong but you have premium hand .

 

[fundiver199]

4-bet to around 5.000-6.000 and be willing to get it in, if either player puts in a 5-bet. If someone just call, then stack off postflop on any reasonable runout. Getting min 3-bet by a whale, when you have something as strong as KK, is a dream situation. He can have all sorts of nonsense, or maybe he even hit the "raise" button by mistake

 

[eetenor]

This are the players stats:

MP played 12 hands at this table: VPIP 8 PFR 8 (GG HUD is displaying that he played 20% of his hands)
BTN played 11 hands at this table: VPIP 64 PFR 18 Limp 33 Post flop AGG 3 C-bet 100 Turn C-bet 100 (GG HUD is displaying that he played 58% of his hands)

What is your guys action here? (* I will post mine later )

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 250/500 (60 ante) - 7 players


UTG: 10,580 (21 bb)
MP: 24,661 (49 bb)
MP+1: 12,946 (26 bb)
CO: 15,707 (31 bb)
BU: 33,753 (68 bb)
SB: 6,360 (13 bb)
BB (Hero): 26,704 (53 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,170) Hero is BB with K♦ K♣
1 fold, MP raises to 1,000, 2 players fold, BTN 3-bets to 1,500, 1 fold, Hero ?

At 50 effective we 4 bet because if we jam we let our V play the hand very well as they will be folding most of their range they may even fold JJ- so we are targeting too narrow a value range then
Sizing would be 4x to 12bb letting utg Jam JJ QQ AK maybe AQs- We also want to let BTN call their Ax hands but they also might jam 99+
Why 4x we are squeezing the tight player in MP as BTN is still live but letting the loose btn hang themselves by calling to wide
We do not want to loose ROI by raising AA KK overly large preflop-

 

[Andyreas]

I'd make a 4-bet to 4x out of position, so to 6k.

I want to make sure they fold all the rag aces.😅

The pot is already around 7 BBs, so I'm happy to collect those rather than to loose a big pot against A2o. 🙃

 

[300HPGOD]

Its definitely a 4 bet spot and I agree with others the min 3 bet from this type of player means nothing. They could be one of these players that just 3 bets for the hell of it so I am not thinking that is the nuts here at all. I dont want the others to fold and I am looking to get all my chips in this hand starting with 53 BBs. I think I like a sizing that is too enticing for them to fold but not one that is really really letting them draw to it so I go smaller than what others have mentioned here and smaller than usual raise and go 4500-5000. I would play post flop for this to be a hand that I get in by the turn and really just ask for no ace on the flop & turn lol. Once there is no ace we kind of just initiate the launch sequence and have the countdown hit zero on the turn.

Also agree that when we raise here we are not folding to any 5 bet even though if MP 5 bets it does have a decent shot at being AA but if it is, it is.

 

[eetenor]

I'd make a 4-bet to 4x out of position, so to 6k.

I want to make sure they fold all the rag aces.😅

The pot is already around 7 BBs, so I'm happy to collect those rather than to loose a big pot against A2o. 🙃

We have sooo much equity vs AX that we really do not want that to fold- 4x sizing is to not allow us to go 3 way easily and to reduce the odds for the draws post flop as we can size to get all-in on turn

 

[kitchy65]

UTG: 10,580 (21 bb)
MP: 24,661 (49 bb)
MP+1: 12,946 (26 bb)
CO: 15,707 (31 bb)
BU: 33,753 (68 bb)
SB: 6,360 (13 bb)
BB (Hero): 26,704 (53 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,170) Hero is BB with K♦ K♣
1 fold, MP raises to 1,000, 2 players fold, BTN 3-bets to 1,500, 1 fold, Hero ?

...3-bet.

You need to build the pot. If he calls and Ax falls, you can get away from it and win 20k chips. If it doesn't all good.
You could shove but for 53bb you've no need to.

 

[rastapapolos]

If it was a bounty I'm all-in, if it's turbo same thing, if it's a regular mtt with 10min blind level or more I 4bet.

 

[jack12de]

I like an All in preflop here.

 

[fundiver199]

I dont like jamming preflop. It gives us to much fold equity with a hand, that wants action, especially from BTN, who will likely make significant mistakes postflop, if he catch a small piece of the board. Jamming almost force both opponents to play well by folding most of their range and only giving us action with aces and a few hands, we beat.

 

[mariussica88]

Thank you all for your replies. I preferred to shove here since what I noticed in this micro stakes even on GGPoker players tend to call shoves pre-flop with AJ+ so I am happy to shove pre-flop and get called 1010+ hands and AJ+. Once in some time I get called by AA, QQ, JJ and lose but most of the time I take the stacks. At least at this micro stakes I think that in my case I preferred this way.

Again I do this only if there is a raise and a re-raise before me.

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 250/500 (60 ante) - 7 players
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UTG: 10,580 (21 bb)
MP: 24,661 (49 bb)
MP+1: 12,946 (26 bb)
CO: 15,707 (31 bb)
BU: 33,753 (68 bb)
SB: 6,360 (13 bb)
BB (Hero): 26,704 (53 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,170) Hero is BB with K♦ K♣
1 fold, MP raises to 1,000, 2 players fold, BTN 3-bets to 1,500, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to 26,644 (all-in), 1 fold, BTN calls 25,144

Flop: (54,958) 9♥ 3♥ Q♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (54,958) 3♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (54,958) 7♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 54,958

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows K♦ K♣ (two pair, Kings and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 70%, Flop: 86%, Turn: 93%, River: 100%)

BU shows A♣ K♠ (a pair of Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins 54,958



I give you now an example of another way I played KK in the same tournament.

Here I decided to bet big post flop for protection and also I decided to check back on the river because I did not think that I can get calls from worst hands.

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 140/280 (35 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 21,634 (77 bb)
UTG+1: 9,138 (33 bb)
MP: 10,337 (37 bb)
MP+1: 5,007 (18 bb)
CO (Hero): 9,683 (35 bb)
BU: 8,295 (30 bb)
SB: 9,685 (35 bb)
BB: 7,129 (25 bb)

Pre-Flop: (700) Hero is CO with K♣ K♠
4 players fold, Hero raises to 700, 1 fold, SB calls 560, BB calls 420

Flop: (2,380) T♥ 9♠ Q♦ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 1,762, SB calls 1,762, BB folds

Turn: (5,904) 9♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 3,661, SB calls 3,661

River: (13,226) A♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: 13,226

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows K♣ K♠ (two pair, Kings and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

SB shows T♣ J♣ (two pair, Tens and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) wins 13,226

 

[fundiver199]

Against AK specifically a preflop jam was a good play, because most players wont fold AK preflop, but postflop they will often fold, unless they hit a K or A. However I think, AK is a very small part of his range, and that jamming for more than 50 bigs allow to many hands to get away for cheap.