Hello,
Opened the hand as chip leader close to the FT (4 places). With the doule gutshot I tried to apply pressure on villain. (no reads so far) Hit the second nut straight on the river. First thought was to choose a check-call line. But since I am up against everything except of QJ I went for value. The raise put me in a horrible spot. Went for his bounty (9 dollar) to increase my equity.

Given my great position, I tink I overplayed the spot. Which line would you choose?



partypoker, $1.05 + $0.05 - Hold'em No Limit - 60,000/120,000 (15,000 ante) - 7 players
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UTG (Hero): 9,347,618 (78 bb)
MP: 2,278,586 (19 bb)
MP+1: 9,177,522 (76 bb)
CO: 2,628,906 (22 bb)
BU: 2,896,007 (24 bb)
SB: 2,201,671 (18 bb)
BB: 2,124,890 (18 bb)

Pre-Flop: (285,000) Hero is UTG with J♥ K♣
Hero raises to 240,000, 1 fold, MP+1 calls 240,000, 4 players fold

Flop: (765,000) 9♦ 7♦ T♠ (2 players)
Hero bets 240,000, MP+1 calls 240,000

Turn: (1,245,000) 5♥ (2 players)
Hero bets 480,000, MP+1 calls 480,000

River: (2,205,000) 8♥ (2 players)
Hero bets 1,620,000, MP+1 raises to 5,703,750, Hero raises to 8,372,618 (all-in), MP+1 calls 2,498,772 (all-in)

Hello, I play this hand a little differently. I think that we have to play any c- bet on the flop, because we are even on deep stack. I'm always careful when I play versus another big stack on the table. On the turn I prefer play check/call to control the pot. I don't want to invest too many chips with double gut shot. Sometimes opponent can raise our bet on the turn and we will have harder decision when he sometimes will raise us. As played on the river - Bet for over 50% looks good form hero, but I don't go allin, because when opponent raises hero's bet on the river I'm not sure if we have the best hand in this situation. Better straight is always possible. So on the river I play only call and I try to save some chips if he has better straight. GL

I'm just having a really hard time finding bluffs here on the river from our villans raise....I think when he does this at BEST we are chopping with like JT, AJ, all the Jx combos who may call a raise preflop.., all the other times we are beat with QJ staring us in the face. I certainly would have went for the check/call on the river. I don't raise the river without the nuts very often so I would not raise here either.

Anyhow, the logic behind the check call here is simple...when we value bet we are only going to get called by our villans made hands, however if we check - we leave all of our villans bluffs in along with their made hands and missed flush draws and straight draws (like KQ or AQ, etc) should be bluffing because they have no showdown value - so in a nutshell on a super wet board where we have been called on two streets its likely our opponent could have connected but its also pretty likely they could have missed some obvious draws - by checking with the intent to call here we leave their bluffs in and get value from that part of their range as well as value from their made hands - while when we lead river for value we push out their bluffs and only get called by made hands

Originally Posted by nick_

Hello,
Opened the hand as chip leader close to the FT (4 places). With the doule gutshot I tried to apply pressure on villain. (no reads so far) Hit the second nut straight on the river. First thought was to choose a check-call line. But since I am up against everything except of QJ I went for value. The raise put me in a horrible spot. Went for his bounty (9 dollar) to increase my equity.

Given my great position, I tink I overplayed the spot. Which line would you choose?



partypoker, $1.05 + $0.05 - Hold'em No Limit - 60,000/120,000 (15,000 ante) - 7 players
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UTG (Hero): 9,347,618 (78 bb)
MP: 2,278,586 (19 bb)
MP+1: 9,177,522 (76 bb)
CO: 2,628,906 (22 bb)
BU: 2,896,007 (24 bb)
SB: 2,201,671 (18 bb)
BB: 2,124,890 (18 bb)

Pre-Flop: (285,000) Hero is UTG with J♥ K♣
Hero raises to 240,000, 1 fold, MP+1 calls 240,000, 4 players fold

Flop: (765,000) 9♦ 7♦ T♠ (2 players)
Hero bets 240,000, MP+1 calls 240,000

Turn: (1,245,000) 5♥ (2 players)
Hero bets 480,000, MP+1 calls 480,000

River: (2,205,000) 8♥ (2 players)
Hero bets 1,620,000, MP+1 raises to 5,703,750, Hero raises to 8,372,618 (all-in), MP+1 calls 2,498,772 (all-in)

Thank U 4 posting

In tournaments we need always to be thinking about ICM and stack depth.
You were on a table with 5 players who had perfect shove size stacks and you opened UTG with KJ off. As well the other big stack has a great 3bet steal spot as no one else can knock them out.
Also you do not have to chase bounties in this spot because you are on a table with 5 possibilities for picking up 1 or more bounties before the final table.

The big stack calls and the board crushes that calling range. The big stack call is shutdown time. The big stack and you should not be playing pots. This is a checkdown call small bets situation. There are 5 bounty possibilities on your table we do not need to play this for stacks.

Unless of course the V has no clue you could have a J then well played. You easily could have JJ or QJ yourself based on your betting pattern.
As played flop bet fine -turn bet no need to double it -river bet we do not have the nuts and QJ plays exactly like this. What hand do you expect the V to get all in on the river that did not raise flop or turn? What hand do you expect the V to call with for that size?
After you bet river would this player who made 3 weak plays in a row suddenly make an aggressive bluff?
Would they shove less than the nuts when you big bet a four straight? Do you know they are this bad?

Did you consider getting value from bluffs by checking the river? If not was it because you did not expect bluffs?

Hope this helps

I'll be honest, I don't like these players. You have absolutely nothing while raising the pot on every street and getting a better hand on the river. It is extremely difficult to determine the specific range of hands on any of the streets. This will be a lesson for you if your opponent has a JQ and a straight.