$0 NL HE MTT: Tough Spot

[puzzlefish]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

0

Freeroll

1. Freeroll

Currency

$

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 9 players
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Hero (UTG): 65,554 (55 bb)
Player7 (UTG+1): 103,325 (86 bb)
Player8 (MP): 74,685 (62 bb)
Player9 (MP+1): 39,750 (33 bb)
Player1 (LP): 44,831 (37 bb)
Player2 (CO): 34,895 (29 bb)
Player3 (BU): 42,340 (35 bb)
Player4 (SB): 14,070 (12 bb)
Player5 (BB): 66,485 (55 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,150) Hero (Hero) is UTG with 6♥ 3♦
Hero (UTG) folds, 5 players fold, Player3 (BU) calls 1,200, Player4 (SB) calls 600, Player5 (BB) checks

Flop: (4,950) 8♠ 5♠ 6♦ (3 players)
Player4 (SB) checks, Player5 (BB) checks, Player3 (BU) bets 2,475, Player4 (SB) raises to 12,720 (all-in), Player5 (BB) folds, Player3 (BU) calls 10,245

Turn: (30,390) Q♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (30,390) T♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 30,390

Showdown:
Player4 (SB) shows K♥ 8♣ (a pair of Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 48%, Turn: 68%, River: 0%)

Player3 (BU) shows 6♠ 3♠ (a flush, Ten high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 52%, Turn: 32%, River: 100%)

Player3 (BU) wins 30,390

 

[Tomiveres]

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 9 players
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Hero (UTG): 65,554 (55 bb)
Player7 (UTG+1): 103,325 (86 bb)
Player8 (MP): 74,685 (62 bb)
Player9 (MP+1): 39,750 (33 bb)
Player1 (LP): 44,831 (37 bb)
Player2 (CO): 34,895 (29 bb)
Player3 (BU): 42,340 (35 bb)
Player4 (SB): 14,070 (12 bb)
Player5 (BB): 66,485 (55 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,150) Hero (Hero) is UTG with 6♥ 3♦
Hero (UTG) folds, 5 players fold, Player3 (BU) calls 1,200, Player4 (SB) calls 600, Player5 (BB) checks

Flop: (4,950) 8♠ 5♠ 6♦ (3 players)
Player4 (SB) checks, Player5 (BB) checks, Player3 (BU) bets 2,475, Player4 (SB) raises to 12,720 (all-in), Player5 (BB) folds, Player3 (BU) calls 10,245

Turn: (30,390) Q♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (30,390) T♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 30,390

Showdown:
Player4 (SB) shows K♥ 8♣ (a pair of Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 48%, Turn: 68%, River: 0%)

Player3 (BU) shows 6♠ 3♠ (a flush, Ten high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 52%, Turn: 32%, River: 100%)

Player3 (BU) wins 30,390

What is your question ?
If you play K8 there ? After the limp of button , you can easy shove k8 and be profitable with 12bb stack . Flop K8 cannot fold anymore because he got top pair with a very good kicker .

 

[puzzlefish]

What is your question ?
If you play K8 there ? After the limp of button , you can easy shove k8 and be profitable with 12bb stack . Flop K8 cannot fold anymore because he got top pair with a very good kicker .

I think when I first looked at this, I saw an all-in pre-flop. That's what happens when I am doing too many things at once. All-in post flop makes sense.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
BTN should not open limp. 63s should normally be folded, but if he wants to play it, he should make a small raise. That can be ok, if the players in the blinds are weak. Complete from SB with K8o is fine.

Flop
Both played their hands fine. 12 BB effective and top pair second kicker vs. pair + flushdraw. The chips have to go in, and then its basically just a coinflip. This time the draw came out on top.

 

[300HPGOD]

Preflop
BTN should not open limp. 63s should normally be folded, but if he wants to play it, he should make a small raise. That can be ok, if the players in the blinds are weak. Complete from SB with K8o is fine.

I would not advocate completing with K8 off from the SB with 12 BBs to start the hand. There could be times where this would fall into the somewhat okay bucket and that would be where you know button is open limping any two cards since thats how they play and BB will rarely raise but just click the call button behind a vast vast majority of the time. Coincidentally that may be the exact situation we have here but I without being 100% sure that it is in fact what is going on if you were in this hand I dont think its good to just complete with K8 off such a short stack. The better play would be to Jam if you really think button is limping any two cards and BB will not put up any kind of fight unless they really have the high end of the spectrum. Otherwise I just fold K8 even getting such a good price since we are so shallow and BB is still to act behind.

The one counter I'll make to my own thinking is if you believed that you would see a flop here and if even you missed then you would be at 11.5 BBs instead of 12 BBs which is does not make any significant difference for your stack as you are still in shove mode and you just want to see if you connect with the flop. I can see that point of view but its still better to jam or fold over a wide button limper here in my opinion.

 

[fundiver199]

I would not advocate completing with K8 off from the SB with 12 BBs to start the hand.

Would be pretty reasonable to open jam as well. I think, folding is to tight, when he only has to put in 600 chips to potentially win a pot of 4.950 chips. He only need to realise 12,1 % equity, which should be pretty easy even though, he is out of position against two opponents with a somewhat junky hand. If he flop a pair, he can pretty much just go with his hand, and this is going to be fine in the long run. If he had something really bad like 82o, I could get on board with a fold.

 

[Andyreas]

I think the comments according to this hand have already been said but I just want to add:
Never go broke in a limped pot.

I have also learned the hard way and it also applies here.

Like the box of pandora:
You never know they weird hands they limped with. 😅

 

[fundiver199]

I think the comments according to this hand have already been said but I just want to add:
Never go broke in a limped pot.

This mantry is more for cash games or deep stacked tournament hands though, because if you start with 100BB, the SPR in a limped pot is very deep. Here the effective stack was only 12BB, and then its pretty much like playing a single raised pot with 20-30BB. Where we are typically also happy to stack off anything, which connect well, like both these hands did.

 

[puzzlefish]

So it's better to open shove or fold here, is that the consensus?

 

[fundiver199]

So it's better to open shove or fold here, is that the consensus?

BTN should mainly fold 63s, and if he wants to play it, he should put in a small raise and not limp. He is 35BB effective with BB, and then there is no point in having a limping strategy on BTN. If SB is going to rejam wide, then 63s is an easy fold. When BTN has made a mistake and limped, SB can either complete or jam. I have no problem with either line. Jamming is a little bit better, if BB is very aggressive and will raise a lot. But if BB is passive, then completing any non-junk hand is fine.