theANMATOR
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Seems my boat lost - to boat in PLO - I'm just not seeing how this was not a split pot.
Thanks for the input.
Nevermind - I see it now - he sucked out.
Gaud - I hate plo
Im with you on not liking PLO. You actually were a big dog after the flop which for PLO is usually rare and then yes he sucked out on the river. I dont touch PLO and hats off to those who like it and are good at it. I do like (but a true beginner) PLO8. Variance is greatly reduced and it seems more fun to me. Not sure your feelings on PLO8 but thought I would mention it if you are looking to play another game on top of NLH. You might like it a whole lot more than PLO.
Thank you for posting.
I can help you hate PLO less in one easy step.
Preflop hand selection- this was a fold preflop even for a limp. Especially as deep as you were. The deeper we are the more we need to rely on nut flush draw hands not ten high flush draws and 55 is a dangerous pair and T7 is a bad gap and 75 is as well and the T is not connected to the 5's
T966 ss is better but still not a hand we want to play at these stack depths unless we are really skilled post flop. Or our V over fold LOL just kidding this is PLO over fold HA LOL
In PLO tournies we can so easily flop an under set or lose to turned over set etc and our V have get to the river SPRs in this spot.
If our V have less SPR we can get some folds on flop and turn- if they have skill- so we can pressure more with 2 pair. etc. so our hand selection can be wider later in tournies.
Hope this helps
To clarify about disliking PLO.
At my stakes - everyone limps - which puts a bad taste in my mouth right off the bat. There are the 90% limpers and 10% aggros who bet POT every turn - regardless of their cards. Its just - blegh - un sophisticated and even less strategic to me. Rely on luck - in my opinion - is not a skill. lol
Sure all players have at least a sliver of equity every hand - but it just seems the game is designed to allows players to play badly and be rewarded. Rather than strategically planning to play certain hands in certain positions vs certain opponents. Its more - let me get into this pot - and luck into a hand. - just not the game for me I guess.
But I am not ruling out that it is a game - that has just not clicked for me quite yet. I have not studied it hardly at all - preoccupied with NLHE, and maybe in the future it will find a place in my stable of games.
The rule of thumb is -if it can be out there it is- in PLO.
It can be a very profitable game even versus these V if you always remember to only build pots with the nuts and only call with redraws to the nuts. We win fewer pots but when we win the pots are often bigger because the V over value 2 pair 3rd nuts low sets etc.
Hope this helps
I do like (but a true beginner) PLO8. Variance is greatly reduced and it seems more fun to me. Not sure your feelings on PLO8 but thought I would mention it if you are looking to play another game on top of NLH. You might like it a whole lot more than PLO.
Yeah - that's all pretty much greek to me E. Thanks for your input though.
I think your reply - is exactly why I really don't like the game - it is terribly slow - and I detest sitting around waiting for a hand to play.
I min-raised opened this hand - but I see from your response it was not even a good speculative hand to get involved with.
There's a lot of variance in PLO8 as well. I was in a 9-handed Sit & Go, 4 left, 3 pay. I flopped top pair, with nut flush AND low draw and was all-in, and the board ran out perfect for my opponent to scoop me and knock me out. PLO8 can be a frustrating game as well, every bit as much as PLO.
Here are some basic tips as well that might help you with your PLO game:
1. Flopping bottom sets rarely win big pots, because you're already facing (especially multiway) draws to straights/flushes/higher sets. If facing aggressive opponents, your variance is EXTREMELY high.
2. Position is VERY important, maybe even more so than in Hold'em. Being in the Small Blind at an aggressive table is extremely bad for you, that you almost have to be nutted to really win big pots. BUT, if players are making mistakes, you can take advantage of it regardless of the position.
3. Most players overplay AAxx with little regard for what their other two cards are, along with little regard for suitedness. If you have AAxx rainbow, you can't make flushes, which gives you fewer boards that will help you.
Your starting hand was very weak.
One rule is never start without an Ace suited and a hat full of big cards.
Hands containing small cards are easily dominated.
Any had you start with should if possible be capable of making multiple big showdown hands.
Pairs, two pairs and trips are considered weak.
We should be looking to make flushes ( be careful with those if the board pairs) and boards.