$0.5 NLHE MTT Turbo: Top pair against BB.

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No info on the villain, I still stubbornly think that people on low stakes bluff a lot. What do you do in this situation after this turn check/raise?


pokerstars, $0.45 + $0.05 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (6 ante) - 8 players

EzEkIeL1105 (UTG): 466 (9 bb)
mammaloe33 (UTG+1): 2,190 (44 bb)
Arbene7 (MP): 1,422 (28 bb)
Bouta88 (MP+1): 1,839 (37 bb)
Abusedd (CO): 1,412 (28 bb)
deface123 (BU): 1,570 (31 bb)
Kosta2207 (SB): 3,116 (62 bb)
ferdinale (BB): 4,888 (98 bb)

Pre-Flop: (123) Hero (Bouta88) is MP+1 with Q A
3 players fold, Bouta88 (MP+1) raises to 150, 3 players fold, ferdinale (BB) calls 100

Flop: (373) 6 Q 6 (2 players)
ferdinale (BB) checks, Bouta88 (MP+1) bets 112, ferdinale (BB) calls 112

Turn: (597) T (2 players)
ferdinale (BB) checks, Bouta88 (MP+1) bets 394, ferdinale (BB) raises to 1,038,
 
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I could be wrong here but I can see the villain defending his BB with a considerable hands range to fit from QT to 67s, 68s, that probably want to end the hand right here in case you're still waiting for a card to complete a draw (flush or str8). But I'll wait for fundiver's analysis! :D
 
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Preflop
With this stack size I typically raise to 2,5BB preflop. Not a huge deal though.

Flop
I like your small sizing on a paired board. He have so many hands, that missed this board, so betting small with your entire range is the right play.

Turn
T of spades does not really change anything. QT and TT got there, but they are just two of his many different possible holding, so I like to bet for value again. I do prefer a somewhat smaller sizing like half pot though, since it is still a paired board. He can definitely have a 6 in his hand defending his blind, so your hand is not quite the nuts, and I am not always going to go 3 streets here. The turn bet is mostly to charge his weaker made hands and his draws, while they will still pay.

When he raise, I think, it does look quite strong, because he essentially commits you to the pot, but he does it without actually putting you all in. I think, if he was doing this as a bluff with a draw, he would want to make it look as scary as possible. Maybe I am overthinking it a bit, and he could just be a fish clicking buttons. But I think, this bet size looks like "please call me", so I would probably let it go.

If you do continue, there is no point in just calling and then facing all sorts of weird spots on the river, when either flushdraw completes, and he put you all in. So its either jam or fold, and I lean towards fold. It does depend on reads though. If he is some kind of goofball, who can have a ton of random bluffs or overvalue all his QX, then you kind of have to close your eyes and get it in.
 
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Preflop
With this stack size I typically raise to 2,5BB preflop. Not a huge deal though.

Flop
I like your small sizing on a paired board. He have so many hands, that missed this board, so betting small with your entire range is the right play.

Turn
T of spades does not really change anything. QT and TT got there, but they are just two of his many different possible holding, so I like to bet for value again. I do prefer a somewhat smaller sizing like half pot though, since it is still a paired board. He can definitely have a 6 in his hand defending his blind, so your hand is not quite the nuts, and I am not always going to go 3 streets here. The turn bet is mostly to charge his weaker made hands and his draws, while they will still pay.

When he raise, I think, it does look quite strong, because he essentially commits you to the pot, but he does it without actually putting you all in. I think, if he was doing this as a bluff with a draw, he would want to make it look as scary as possible. Maybe I am overthinking it a bit, and he could just be a fish clicking buttons. But I think, this bet size looks like "please call me", so I would probably let it go.

If you do continue, there is no point in just calling and then facing all sorts of weird spots on the river, when either flushdraw completes, and he put you all in. So its either jam or fold, and I lean towards fold. It does depend on reads though. If he is some kind of goofball, who can have a ton of random bluffs or overvalue all his QX, then you kind of have to close your eyes and get it in.


I will wait with posting the result of this later on, but can you actually recommend some good material on turn bet sizes? I think I'm getting it wrong very often here. :(
 
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No info on the villain, I still stubbornly think that people on low stakes bluff a lot. What do you do in this situation after this turn check/raise?


PokerStars, $0.45 + $0.05 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (6 ante) - 8 players

EzEkIeL1105 (UTG): 466 (9 bb)
mammaloe33 (UTG+1): 2,190 (44 bb)
Arbene7 (MP): 1,422 (28 bb)
Bouta88 (MP+1): 1,839 (37 bb)
Abusedd (CO): 1,412 (28 bb)
deface123 (BU): 1,570 (31 bb)
Kosta2207 (SB): 3,116 (62 bb)
ferdinale (BB): 4,888 (98 bb)

Pre-Flop: (123) Hero (Bouta88) is MP+1 with Q A
3 players fold, Bouta88 (MP+1) raises to 150, 3 players fold, ferdinale (BB) calls 100

Flop: (373) 6 Q 6 (2 players)
ferdinale (BB) checks, Bouta88 (MP+1) bets 112, ferdinale (BB) calls 112

Turn: (597) T (2 players)
ferdinale (BB) checks, Bouta88 (MP+1) bets 394, ferdinale (BB) raises to 1,038,



Looks like bluf , call or push
 
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I will wait with posting the result of this later on, but can you actually recommend some good material on turn bet sizes?


Not specifically but just in general large bet sizes require a polarized range. By picking a smaller size you allow yourself to include more light value bets. Like in this particular spot all those QX, which want to get value from draws and sticky pocket pairs without owning themselfes against his trips and boats.

Sure this time you had top pair top kicker, but this particular opponent had a huge stack, so without knowing him I would put him on a wide range defending his blinds. And in this situation a wide range mean a high density of trips as opposed to someone, who could perhaps only have 65s, 76s, 86s, A6s or something like that. So this is just not a spot, I am excited enough about to want to build a huge pot and play for stacks.
 
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No info on the villain, I still stubbornly think that people on low stakes bluff a lot. What do you do in this situation after this turn check/raise?


PokerStars, $0.45 + $0.05 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (6 ante) - 8 players

EzEkIeL1105 (UTG): 466 (9 bb)
mammaloe33 (UTG+1): 2,190 (44 bb)
Arbene7 (MP): 1,422 (28 bb)
Bouta88 (MP+1): 1,839 (37 bb)
Abusedd (CO): 1,412 (28 bb)
deface123 (BU): 1,570 (31 bb)
Kosta2207 (SB): 3,116 (62 bb)
ferdinale (BB): 4,888 (98 bb)

Pre-Flop: (123) Hero (Bouta88) is MP+1 with Q[emoji812] A[emoji815]
3 players fold, Bouta88 (MP+1) raises to 150, 3 players fold, ferdinale (BB) calls 100

Flop: (373) 6[emoji812] Q[emoji815] 6[emoji815] (2 players)
ferdinale (BB) checks, Bouta88 (MP+1) bets 112, ferdinale (BB) calls 112

Turn: (597) T[emoji812] (2 players)
ferdinale (BB) checks, Bouta88 (MP+1) bets 394, ferdinale (BB) raises to 1,038,
Greetings. I don't see any other options other than all-in. The T on the turn didn't change anything at all.
 
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