$0.25 NLHE MTT: AK decision in bubble, 2nd in chips

[Haze of Spade]

PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 25.7 BB
BB: 15.76 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, hands: 48)
UTG: 31.43 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 21)
UTG+1: 10.61 BB (VPIP: 8.88, PFR: 7.88, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 169)
MP: 8.17 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
MP+1: 14.86 BB (VPIP: 23.66, PFR: 19.91, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 227)
MP+2: 20.53 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 52)
CO: 19.03 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 21)
BTN: 22.66 BB (VPIP: 15.58, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 77)

9 players post ante of 0.06 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.06 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero??

Spoiler

Hero raises to 25.63 BB and is all-in, fold, CO calls 14.97 BB and is all-in

Flop: (39.5 BB, 2 players) T♠ J♣ 8♥

Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 8♣

River: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 5♥

Hero shows K♥ A♣ (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 7%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
CO shows A♥ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 93%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
CO wins 39.5 BB

I just startet learning more about tourney play, i'm more used to cash games so from what i know we should push here because we cover and it's unlikely he calls 20bb in the bubble without the nuts and we still have a chance to get in the money when we lose.
also we have blockers for KK+.
so when i asked pokertracker icm said fold but the push/fold equities where even, both 13,8%
So i wonder if we still should push because of the reasons listet above or if icm play would be more profitable?

 

[puzzlefish]

Were you close to being ITM? Just wondering if that had any bearing on the ICM suggested move coming up as a fold? I would call this and probably fold after the flop if the AK doesn't hit hard on the flop.

 

[jsnake716]

PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 25.7 BB
BB: 15.76 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 48)
UTG: 31.43 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 21)
UTG+1: 10.61 BB (VPIP: 8.88, PFR: 7.88, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 169)
MP: 8.17 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
MP+1: 14.86 BB (VPIP: 23.66, PFR: 19.91, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 227)
MP+2: 20.53 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 52)
CO: 19.03 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 21)
BTN: 22.66 BB (VPIP: 15.58, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 77)

9 players post ante of 0.06 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.06 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero??

Spoiler

Hero raises to 25.63 BB and is all-in, fold, CO calls 14.97 BB and is all-in

Flop: (39.5 BB, 2 players) T♠ J♣ 8♥

Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 8♣

River: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 5♥

Hero shows K♥ A♣ (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 7%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
CO shows A♥ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 93%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
CO wins 39.5 BB

I just startet learning more about tourney play, i'm more used to cash games so from what i know we should push here because we cover and it's unlikely he calls 20bb in the bubble without the nuts and we still have a chance to get in the money when we lose.
also we have blockers for KK+.
so when i asked pokertracker icm said fold but the push/fold equities where even, both 13,8%
So i wonder if we still should push because of the reasons listet above or if icm play would be more profitable?

Why are you looking at this as push/fold?? I do not know player dynamics but I think a call would be acceptable in this situation, Call and fold to a BB shove. ???

 

[5pAce_C0wb0y]

This isnt really a push or fold situation. Its either a call or not too large raise. Then a fold to any aggression on the flop as you've missed.

 

[smknginmaine]

IDK if this is EVER a fold with AK. Maybe live with some sick read.... I think Shove... But, keeping play varied, could contemplate how much to raise. Maybe flat 10% or less. 50% shove... The other 40%, vary the raise amount.
Then again, taking my advice even 57% of the time only nets a 34% ROI. Which is 0 when freerolling. Everytime.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Super easy shove here in this spot.

we're on the bubble.... we have villain covered... we hold a monster and there are many short stacks on the table.

Is this villain's standard open raise sizing? Because it is obviously on the large size, which might possibly be an indication from a bad player that they are committing themself to the pot. But seriously.. why would QQ+ open to 4x pre here in this spot? It is a 25cent buyin so you never know. (still a shove though!)

PS - I just noticed that you've posted the results in your initial post. Don't do this if you want to get some sort of decent feedback as this will alter/ prejudice many posters responses. ( I mean just read some of the ones above... sigh)

 

[Haze of Spade]

thanks for the replies!
i just realized that i didn't look at the bet sizing, the 4x raise i would even flat. that also explains why i had less chips left than i calculated after i lost lol
also i think i forgot to mention it was 45max and 2players before itm
but i even finished 2nd btw

 

[ph_il]

19 BBs evfective, just get it in pre.

Unfortunate to run into AA but that's going to happen.

Congrats on 2nd.

 

[ammje]

The villain had 19bb, I think your move was correct, if you won that hand, were going to win the sit and go, bad luck that the villain has AA.

 

[PeedroZack]

I prefer the call in this situation

 

[oreleo]

The ITM is important then folt if not easy all in.

 

[SuzdalDEcor]

Better option - all in.

 

[Jon Poker]

I think this is all player dependent. You could just flat and see a flop to check fold...you could 3 bet and fold to a shove...or you could do what you did and rip it in considering you hold blockers to AA and KK. Personally i would have ripped it in too, you beat alot of his range and the purpose of the game is to put your opponent to a decision for all of their chips...just unfortunate you ran into a bigger monster

 

[LJG23]

On the bubble a good player is raising a wide range from the CO hoping to pick up small post while people wait for it to pop. With your hand and having him covered its most definitely a shove, tough break, but you played the hand right.