$0.10 NLO MTT: Early in tournament: What did I do wrong with set of jacks?

[kartoqraf]

Hi, everybody! This is my first post here! Thanks for the great forum!

So, here we go. Set of jacks vs a flush draw. Things do get crazy at this level, I guess, but I feel that if I had bet correctly, this could have been avoided. What did I do wrong?

After he called my raise on the flop, I thought he might have a Queen. Then he called my raise after Ace appeared on the turn, I thought he might have AK, and only when he raised my river bet I realized he might have been on a flush draw, but it was too late, so I called his re-reaise.

Since this was very early in the tournament, I had no stats on the villain.

PokerStars - $0.09+$0.01|20/40 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 42.88 BB
UTG: 72.25 BB
UTG+1: 42.5 BB
UTG+2: 78.38 BB
Hero (MP): 34.25 BB
MP+1: 55.88 BB
CO: 36.13 BB
BTN: 56.38 BB
SB: 36.75 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:diamond: J:club:

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5 BB, 5 players) J:heart: J:spade: Q:heart:
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB, fold, fold, fold

Turn: (15 BB, 2 players) A:diamond:
Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

River: (35 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
Hero bets 7.5 BB, CO raises to 20.13 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 10.75 BB and is all-in

CO shows 7:heart: 8:heart: (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 39%, Flop 25%, Turn 16%)
Hero shows T:diamond: J:club: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 61%, Flop 75%, Turn 84%)
CO wins 71.5 BB

 

[Lucothefish]

Fold pre

Flop is good

Bet turn bigger, pot or just shove

check / call river as played

 

[MisterLongFace]

flop bet looks ok to me, turn bet might be ok on a different board but by the turn there are a lot of hands you need to protect against here so overbetting on the turn i think was the way to go here. we don't know if villian would have folded to that but it would have made a call on the turn a very bad play for them, and that's all you can do really.

 

[JohnBoyWWFC]

I would be bet/folding that river. You get value from a lot of other hands that would just check back at this level and no one is really capable of turning their hand into a river bluff.

 

[Lucothefish]

I would be bet/folding that river. You get value from a lot of other hands that would just check back at this level and no one is really capable of turning their hand into a river bluff.

I like bet/fold, but 2/3 of your stack is in the middle...

 

[RealChaser74]

Folding pre is the best option here but since you didnt a bigger flop raise would let you now where you stand. seeing as how there is an over card out there and 2 hearts you need to be worried about the villian here have 4 to a flush or even flopping a boat

 

[JusSumguy]

So's you know. Wasn't a set. It was trips, and trips are always vulnerable.

So on the flop, you're looking at a Fl draw and a possible boat.

I would have check/folded the river. Seemed to be an obvious Fl on the river.

You played this way too hard for what you had.

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[detourglr]

pre flop.. Dont like the limp first of all. never limp but always make a raise,, if your hand isnt worth the raise than it aint playing... I break this rule myself, depending onthe speed of the table how aggressive everyone is and that..
Also I might not play 10-J in the middle postion.. but here again depends on what the other players are like.
Flop- I think you made a good bet.. If you would have raised preflop you could use the info what this player might call a raise with.. since it is a limp than it can be any two cards.. so could be flush and straight draw (K-10)..
Turn... Since you bet the pot on the flop... it is either bet the pot or check/fold.. Make them pay on the flush draw however if he had K-10 he would have the straight.
River... without the history of the villian.. I do not like you calling his all-in... he has either made his flush draw or he is representing a flush.. so you have to go on the Vilian history and determine if he would bluff in this spot. but without knowing anything I would have folded.. especially in a tournament setting becuase you would still have chips to continue on.
this reminds me of a saying that I head from a poker pro (forget with one).. folding is only a small mistake, calling can be a big mistake..

 

[Poker Orifice]

Turn... Since you bet the pot on the flop... it is either bet the pot or check/fold.. Make them pay on the flush draw however if he had K-10 he would have the straight.

I'm confused
bet 'pot' or check/fold? Make them pay if they're on a flush draw but he might have a straight with KT? So which is it? Are you betting 'pot' or are you check/folding..... cuz they seem to be kinda the opposite of one another (this is the part where I became confused )

 

[Zin]

Your mistake was playing J 10 oop to begin with.

 

[detourglr]

I'm confused
bet 'pot' or check/fold? Make them pay if they're on a flush draw but he might have a straight with KT? So which is it? Are you betting 'pot' or are you check/folding..... cuz they seem to be kinda the opposite of one another (this is the part where I became confused )

I am saying this is the two options i think you have.. Bet partial of the pot ( 1/2 or 2/3 of the pot ) isnt an option in my book.. Cause if someone pushes you all in.. I think you are pot comited at that point.

 

[kmbpoker]

personally i would have pushed on flop ,online mind you not live. the reason being is if online players get a wiff of the flop they call allin. if they draw out so be it but i will try and felt em right from the get go.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I am saying this is the two options i think you have.. Bet partial of the pot ( 1/2 or 2/3 of the pot ) isnt an option in my book.. Cause if someone pushes you all in.. I think you are pot comited at that point.

"IF" you bet out 2/3 pot on the flop you will have only invested 4bb's (1bb + 3bb's) preflop so you've only invested ~10% of your stack.