Poker Tracker software is coming out with a new version late summer.

Looks pretty good. Lots of new features.

http://www.pokertracker.com/forums/v...p?f=15&t=35061

Now if I can only play online poker......

Originally Posted by tpb221

Poker Tracker software is coming out with a new version late summer.

Looks pretty good. Lots of new features.

http://www.pokertracker.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=35061

Now if I can only play online poker......

Bad timing.
They should wait until we know which sites most US players will be playing. Who is going to buy PokerTracker for play money?

Originally Posted by pokerchris

Bad timing.
They should wait until we know which sites most US players will be playing. Who is going to buy PokerTracker for play money?

The US isn't the only country that uses PokerTracker...

Also, I wonder if they are going to re-charge everyone like they did when they went from PT2 to PT3

I currently have the micro version of PT3... I guess it would be prudent to wait for the PT4 release before investing in the full version? When they went from PT2 to PT3, does anyone know if there was an option to upgrade from PT2micro to PT3full?

Originally Posted by absoluthamm

The US isn't the only country that uses PokerTracker...

Also, I wonder if they are going to re-charge everyone like they did when they went from PT2 to PT3

They will lose more than half of revenue if they don't care about US players.
Of course they are going to charge for upgrade. Every software does.

First of all, not all US players have stopped playing. I still play everyday and use HEM. Just because your options are limited as a US player doesn't mean they're non-existent.

Besides, losing half revenue is better than losing all. They've been in development since well before BF, why would they not go ahead and release it for those who choose to upgrade when it's ready? When the rest of the US gets back online, they can upgrade then too.

HEM is likewise in a development cycle for a new version, and development hasn't slowed down either AFAIK. It would be pretty silly and knee-jerk to just stop a release and layoff your developers because your US market is partially in limbo.

Exactly. They wouldn't be saving any money by not releasing it. Also, like I said before, even though there are quite a few people that wouldn't be buying from the US, the US isn't the only country that plays poker and like Dave said, many of us in the US are still playing no differently than we were before BF. A look at PokerScout shows that just at PokerStars and FullTilt, there are still around 240,000 people online at the moment. That is just two site at one given time, so believe me there is still a market even though some people have been cut out.

Originally Posted by pokerchris

Bad timing.
They should wait until we know which sites most US players will be playing. Who is going to buy PokerTracker for play money?

Obviously Americans own the world. Oh wait, they don't.

brb, playing online poker.

Originally Posted by dmorris68

First of all, not all US players have stopped playing. I still play everyday and use HEM. Just because your options are limited as a US player doesn't mean they're non-existent.

Besides, losing half revenue is better than losing all. They've been in development since well before BF, why would they not go ahead and release it for those who choose to upgrade when it's ready? When the rest of the US gets back online, they can upgrade then too.

HEM is likewise in a development cycle for a new version, and development hasn't slowed down either AFAIK. It would be pretty silly and knee-jerk to just stop a release and layoff your developers because your US market is partially in limbo.

When US legalize poker later this year, there will be new sites, not pokerstars and not FullTilt poker, that will accept most US players. Will there be pokertracker 5?

The new features look good enough, but what will happen to people who purchased pt3 ?

Originally Posted by Neoblast

The new features look good enough, but what will happen to people who purchased pt3 ?

They will be given a discount on PT4.

Originally Posted by pokerchris

They will lose more than half of revenue if they don't care about US players.

When the US sorts itself out and decides where plkayers can play, then the PT team can add support for thise sites (which is the easy bit).

There is no need to hold off releasing PT4 until the US sorts itself out as they are loosing revenue by doing so. Right now a nation of online poker players who cant play online poker is worth about $0.00 to a company that provides a product used in conjunction with online poker.

Originally Posted by pokerchris

When US legalize poker later this year, there will be new sites, not pokerstars and not FullTilt poker, that will accept most US players. Will there be pokertracker 5?

You obviously don't follow the progression of development for tracking software(either PT2/3/4 or HEM). They add new sites all of the time without up'ing the version numbers(Otherwise it would be like PokerTracker36)

Originally Posted by pokerchris

When US legalize poker later this year, there will be new sites, not pokerstars and not FullTilt poker, that will accept most US players. Will there be pokertracker 5?

Adding sites is the easy bit.

Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar

Adding sites is the easy bit.

yea right, when you don't even know what the sites look like.

Originally Posted by pokerchris

yea right, when you don't even know what the sites look like.

All they have to do is be able to read the sites Hand History and be able to detect the size of the window the site is displayed in. (the HUD gets everything it needs from the HH and your DB)

Thats pretty easy.

yea, it literally has damn near nothing to do with what a site looks like. You could drag and drop your HUD stats to where you need them if they didn't have the layout programmed in yet. The only problems would come if the site didn't write hand history files, in which they would need to create a handgrabber like they did for Bodog.

Originally Posted by absoluthamm

yea, it literally has damn near nothing to do with what a site looks like. You could drag and drop your HUD stats to where you need them if they didn't have the layout programmed in yet. The only problems would come if the site didn't write hand history files, in which they would need to create a handgrabber like they did for Bodog.

TBH if a site didnt write readable HH's they are kind of saying we dont want tracking software to be used on our site.

PT wouldnt go down the route of writing handgrabbers because if the site dosent want tracking software they will just release upodate after update that screws with the handgrabber. Better to let some 3rd party come up with the handgrabber and take the flack if the site actively tries to prevent handgrabbing.

Originally Posted by absoluthamm

You obviously don't follow the progression of development for tracking software(either PT2/3/4 or HEM). They add new sites all of the time without up'ing the version numbers(Otherwise it would be like PokerTracker36)

Those tracking software was targeting the big sites when under development. They can pick and choose which smaller sites to support later on. They can afford to ignore some smaller sites that are difficult to support without major changes.
Those new sites that most US players will play on are big sites and they HAVE TO support them without even knowing what they will be look like. Ask any developer who can do that.

Originally Posted by pokerchris

Those new sites that most US players will play on are big sites and they HAVE TO support them without even knowing what they will be look like. Ask any developer who can do that.

What are you wittering on about?

Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar

What are you wittering on about?

Why don't you just say which part(s) you don't understand.

Everything you post makes no sense, because the company can just release a small update making it compatible with new sites.

Originally Posted by Pascal LeFiscal

Everything you post makes no sense, because the company can just release a small update making it compatible with new sites.

Does he not realise that PT3 has had about a million updates in the last 3 or 4 years?

Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar

TBH if a site didnt write readable HH's they are kind of saying we dont want tracking software to be used on our site.

PT wouldnt go down the route of writing handgrabbers because if the site dosent want tracking software they will just release upodate after update that screws with the handgrabber. Better to let some 3rd party come up with the handgrabber and take the flack if the site actively tries to prevent handgrabbing.

It would be a pain in the ass for them to write handgrabbers for a bunch of sites, I agree, but they did do it for Bodog because they had a ton of people requesting/complaining about it. If there was a site that had a big enough playerbase on it that didn't write HH's and also didn't have anything against tracking softwares in their TOS's, then I bet they would write another one if need be.

Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar

Does he not realise that PT3 has had about a million updates in the last 3 or 4 years?

LOL, http://www.pokertracker.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=32469

Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar

Does he not realise that PT3 has had about a million updates in the last 3 or 4 years?

It's because PT3 was not stable at the time of release not because it keeps adding a million sites to support.
PT4 will be released like Windows 8 will be released not long after Windows 7.
PT3 lost a lot of customers to HEM. They wish to gain them back without much features added for a major release.

Originally Posted by pokerchris

It's because PT3 was not stable at the time of release not because it keeps adding a million sites to support.
PT4 will be released like Windows 8 will be released not long after Windows 7.
PT3 lost a lot of customers to HEM. They wish to gain them back without much features added for a major release.

There were some updates that provided additional site support.

There were some updates that fixed import problems caused by a site unexpectedly changing its HH format.

So why do you think they need to know, at this point in time, about sites that do not currently exist when they can release an update to include additional site support?

tried to use it once never could figure out what i was doin so gave up
then again grandson had to show me how to turn puter on
lol
looks like back to live home games again

Originally Posted by dmorris68

HEM is likewise in a development cycle for a new version, and development hasn't slowed down either AFAIK. It would be pretty silly and knee-jerk to just stop a release and layoff your developers because your US market is partially in limbo.

I thought that I'd note that when I posted this, I was under NDA and couldn't say more, but officially today the NDA was lifted on HM2. I've been an Alpha tester since around Black Friday.

I created a HM2 announcement thread here since it looks like nobody has yet.

Originally Posted by dmorris68

I thought that I'd note that when I posted this, I was under NDA and couldn't say more, but officially today the NDA was lifted on HM2. I've been an Alpha tester since around Black Friday.

I created a HM2 announcement thread here since it looks like nobody has yet.

I've had HM2 for ages!

Likewise I couldnt say anything.

Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar

I've had HM2 for ages!

Likewise I couldnt say anything.

Sweet! Another in the super sekrit brotherhood!

I suspected CC might have had a few, but I haven't been terribly active in the the Alpha forum to see who all I might have recognized.

looks awesome im liking the feature where you can click on the graph to find a specific hand, when is PT4 going to be available and will there be a free trial?

Originally Posted by BIRIYANI

What is it exactly >?

It is software that people use to track their hands so they can analyze and improve their game.. among other things. Check out the link in the OP or use the search button, there are tons of posts about it all over this forum and info about it all over the internet in genera.

Originally Posted by goldfinger1217

how advantagous is poker tracker

Quite advantageous.

Originally Posted by absoluthamm

Also, I wonder if they are going to re-charge everyone like they did when they went from PT2 to PT3

Looks like they are. I saw this on the page the OP linked :
"Upgrade Price: To be announced, we can assure you it will be very reasonable for existing owners of PokerTracker 3"




Is HEM gonna charge for users upgrading from HEM1 TO HEM2 does anyone know?

Depends on how long you've owned it for I'm pretty sure - less than a year and you get a discount, longer than a year and full price, since May 1st and it's free

BUMP

When this actually being released? I thought it was supposed to be at the end of 2011?

The beta is out and anyone can use it for free. I've been using it and still learning all the in and outs of it but so far I'm impressed by it.

Originally Posted by ramdeebam

BUMP

When this actually being released? I thought it was supposed to be at the end of 2011?

this i have thought about lots of times! isent there any info at all and how long can you test the beta? i havent yet, due to if any probs would come while using

The beta is pretty stable, heck the alphas were pretty stable for that matter. There's no downside to being a tester so no reason not to, especially if you don't already use a tracker. If you do use another tracker, then it can be tedious managing the multiple databases, but it's possible.

Assuming they do the same as with PT3 and HM1/HM2 (and I don't know why they wouldn't) you can beta test up until release.

I am currently running both PT3 and PT4. The first look at 4 was that I was impressed with the setups for each site, then I found more stuff and am leaning to the PT4 more and more, plus, PT4 beta includes Omaha, normally a $$$ add-on.

Initially I was shocked at the hud, mainly because it started out with different stats. Spent a few minutes figuring it out and all is sane. PT4 has more relevant stats for each position.

I imagine that when actual release comes along, I will feel forced to buy it. Mainly for the Omaha part of it. However, as a long time PT3 ( I won my PT3 license) user, they could easily price me out. I would still have my PT3 for a long while.