Will the party poker hud ban help your game or not?

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Hi all just curious if the party poker hud ban will be better for you! Me I never used a hud but I like to take notes but even that is no good now as you can sign into party poker and make any name you want now so people won,t have any notes on you. Of course basically this will bring in less inexperienced players as more luck will be involved now as you will not be able to read players as good as you would of with notes on them and no hud of course. So just wondered how it will help your game or not and be grateful if you can explain why it will or won,t
 
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I am using a HUD and find it to be a usefull tool, so I naturally prefer to play at sites, that allow it. I do however think, it is legitimate for sites to not allow the use of 3. party software during play.

However I have a big issue with anonymous poker, and allowing players to change their alias ad random is kind of the same thing. Which is presumably why, most sites have always religiously prevented it.

For me its a natural part of poker to be able to observe, how my opponents play, and keep that memory from session to session, be it in the form of HUD-data, notes or labels. If you go to a casino, you play against Jorge, and its not like, he is suddenly Michael, if he come back next saturday.

I also have a big issue with sites not allowing players to download their hand histories after a session for off table analysis. This is the main way to analyse and improve your game, which is something players should be encourage to do rather than prevented from it.

So by making changes like these partypoker is essentially taking an information game and making it a lot dumber. And they are also making the playing environment a whole lot more insecure.

Fixed players names and tracking programs like PT4 or HM2 are the main reason, why a lot of cheaters in online poker has been discovered by other players, reported to the site and then taken out. And it also give players a way to verify, that the card generation is actually random.

So with the announced changes PartyPoker is essentially asking players to only play as gamblers and not try to improve their game at all. And they are also asking players to blindly trust, that PartyPoker will not rig its card generation, and that the site will crack down on cheaters without the help from players.

So in short PartyPoker is now going to be a site only for gamblers. Which is probably, what they want, since these are the kind of people, who also spend money on sports betting and casino games, where the majority of profits come from these days. I am not going to be part of this, and I dont think, any serious online poker player should either.
 
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HUDs are overrated a lot. People start to early interpret stats. Ignoring dynamics. I think hud ban softens field because some regs will go elsewhere.
 
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HUDs are overrated a lot. People start to early interpret stats. Ignoring dynamics. I think hud ban softens field because some regs will go elsewhere.

Party Pokers announced changes are not just a ban on HUDs. Its a removel of hand histories from the site and a further move towards anonymous poker. As a consequence of this HUDs will no longer be effective, but that is kind of missing the point.
 
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The analysis form fundiver199 is so to the point , I agree 100%.

To answer the question , I am also a HUD user but I play micro stakes with some shots now and then to the bigger-more serious buy in MTTs. Believe it or not the HUD at those stakes is not necessary, you can track the nature of each player in some orbits imho. Why I run the program? Because I like multi-tabling.

I don't understand why people are so stubborn against the HUDs usage but I am pretty convinced that those who ''hate'' so much those programs first and foremost they don't understand the difference between live/online poker. Secondly I assume they open limp everything , they min lead bet flop and they call down everything till the showdown :p
 
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I think hud ban softens field because some regs will go elsewhere.


Will there be a field? With the new changes online will fall. The PP has already done a lot of work in order to make the SNG anonymous. Now it is waiting for the "cash". What interest is that the ability to select tables is missing? Any regular would prefer not to play against the same regular, when he can choosing a weak table. In addition, any fish lost the ability to avoid regulars.
 
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I don't understand why people are so stubborn against the HUDs usage but I am pretty convinced that those who ''hate'' so much those programs first and foremost they don't understand the difference between live/online poker.


I do actually understand, why some people think, third party software should not be allowed during play. It does after all put those people, who are not using it, at a disadvantage, however small or big it is. Lets be honest here. If we did not think, the HUD gave us an advantage, we would not bother turning it on.

Even if third party software is free, as some HUDs are, its still a hassle to install them and learn to use them, which probably does not sit to well with people, who just want to play a bit of poker and have some fun. HUDs typically also dont work on mobile phones.

However with all that being said my main point here was, that the changes on PartyPoker is really not about HUDs. I have to admire the marketing people at PartyPoker. They are doing a great job of convincing a lot of people, that they were losing in poker because of those evil bots and HUDs

So now, that Party has cracked down on both, poker is going to be fun again, and more importantly they are going to win! Well that is not exactly, how its going to work. If you play to many hands, limp into pots, donk lead the flop and call down multible bets with any pair or even A high, then you are still going to lose, because these are not good strategies.

And if anything there are going to be more bots on PartyPoker in the future, than there were in the past, because now they can hide behind the anonymity, that PartyPoker is creating for them. If you look at 2+2, there are threads about people reporting suspected bot accounts to PartyPoker more than 6 month before, the site publicly took action, and getting no response.

These bots were discovered, only because players had collected large samples of hand histories, that showed certain patterns. Now players are going to be denied hand histories, and therefore they can no longer act as independant third party inspectors to secure the integrety of the games.

And to answer OPs question: No playing without a HUD does not make you a better player. It makes you a worse player. This is because a HUD is only part of, what is called a tracker. A tracker collect all your hand histories, and this in turn allow you to work on your game away from the table and become a better player.

You can share hand histories in a forum like this for instance and get response from other players. Or you can import them in a program like PokerSnowie and get PokerSnowies opinion about, where you made some possible mistakes.

But hey thats not fun. We should all just sit down and splash some chips around, until our deposit has been eaten up by rake, and we make a new one. Or at least this is, what the management at PartyPoker wants us to do, and why I say, that the site is now only going to be for gamblers.
 
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However with all that being said my main point here was, that the changes on PartyPoker is really not about HUDs. I have to admire the marketing people at PartyPoker. They are doing a great job of convincing a lot of people, that they were losing in poker because of those evil bots and HUDs

So now, that Party has cracked down on both, poker is going to be fun again, and more importantly they are going to win! Well that is not exactly, how its going to work. If you play to many hands, limp into pots, donk lead the flop and call down multible bets with any pair or even A high, then you are still going to lose, because these are not good strategies.

And if anything there are going to be more bots on PartyPoker in the future, than there were in the past, because now they can hide behind the anonymity, that PartyPoker is creating for them. If you look at 2+2, there are threads about people reporting suspected bot accounts to PartyPoker more than 6 month before, the site publicly took action, and getting no response.

These bots were discovered, only because players had collected large samples of hand histories, that showed certain patterns. Now players are going to be denied hand histories, and therefore they can no longer act as independant third party inspectors to secure the integrety of the games.


Yeap you are correct again I guess about the ''HUDless'' users , you are right of curse.The time I commented I was thinking about a single tabler who is just killing his time haha.

Yeap unfortunately I have read too the 2+2 topic and I have commented too about my concerns of the infestation of bots here:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/partypoker-banning-huds-431445/post-5217129.html
the thread is this one:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/partypoker-banning-huds-431445/

I am a recreational but one key element I like about the game is the mathematics behind it, with third party programs like the ones you have mentioned!I want to understand the game no matter what limits I play. Let's see what will happen, I am curious!

Best of luck :)
 
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Bye,bye Huds :wavey: I luv Partypoker! :ah4:
 
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So its official you cant use amy huds at party poker?
 
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So its official you cant use amy huds at party poker?


No huds allowed for awhile tho I believe you can use a tracker or something similar but I know it’s not a hud
 
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This is nuts, I mean No Hud? Ok No hand history or inconvenient asf to log in account & download selected time period hand history!
What's the justification for the hand history?
 
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I play on ignition, they don’t have HUD, but I still use tracker to help track results and find my leaks.
 
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I DON T USE HUDS OR TRACKERS.................SO,,,,,,,MAKE NO DIFFERENCE TO ME...........
 
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I sometimes use the tracker, but I never worked with my hands,didn't detect errors, and so I lose.
 
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Party Poker has enough other stuff going wrong on their site, but yeah since I've been putting effort into improving my game, I've basically stopped playing on Party with any amount of seriousness. If I have to wait 24 hours to review my session I'd rather not give them my money
 
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I like hud bans and anonymous names at the tables
 
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Do they allow them now ? I'm playing for the first time on PP and hand history is being saved...
 
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