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topp44
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people do do it...
embelelement and stuff. And prima is a PRIMA is where they do it. Including casinos and poker rooms they run more then 100 companys to hide the dirty transactions
personally i dont think tax havens should exist anyway...
think about it...
im english... a poker room in england could not compete wth one in a tax haven. so they dont exist... consequentley my money goes to tax havens, and rich people get richer. If england banned companys based on tax havens operating in her cyber space. then there would be a market for english poker rooms, and they would exist. the game wouldnt be effcted becuase if its fair the tax would just come out of the profit. The benefit would be that some of my rake would pay for hospitals and roads and trash removala nd my council tax wouldnt ned to go up for a few years.
there is more than tax dodging though... here is a few things that i found that have been in the news (and ongoing) for the last year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38448-2005Feb19.html
http://www.casinowatch.org/crime/crime_business.html
this article suggests party gaming is over enflated... (they claim becuase of a novelty factor and a substitution effect ) but more likely becuase there is too much money there that isnt poker or even gaming related. People just use it as a billion doller bank account.
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1666623,00.html
http://www.china.org.cn/english/SO-e/26624.htm
is just a couple.. but it shows there i dodgey stuff going on, and its never all wiped out. Its just my hunch that its going to be prima involved...
they have hundreds of rooms with a tiny user base that equates to under 50 players per room. How could they all survive if they wernt based upon embellement, and operating as a tax free bank account for many rich people.
if you can think of a reason id love to hear.
embelelement and stuff. And prima is a PRIMA is where they do it. Including casinos and poker rooms they run more then 100 companys to hide the dirty transactions
personally i dont think tax havens should exist anyway...
think about it...
im english... a poker room in england could not compete wth one in a tax haven. so they dont exist... consequentley my money goes to tax havens, and rich people get richer. If england banned companys based on tax havens operating in her cyber space. then there would be a market for english poker rooms, and they would exist. the game wouldnt be effcted becuase if its fair the tax would just come out of the profit. The benefit would be that some of my rake would pay for hospitals and roads and trash removala nd my council tax wouldnt ned to go up for a few years.
there is more than tax dodging though... here is a few things that i found that have been in the news (and ongoing) for the last year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38448-2005Feb19.html
http://www.casinowatch.org/crime/crime_business.html
this article suggests party gaming is over enflated... (they claim becuase of a novelty factor and a substitution effect ) but more likely becuase there is too much money there that isnt poker or even gaming related. People just use it as a billion doller bank account.
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1666623,00.html
http://www.china.org.cn/english/SO-e/26624.htm
is just a couple.. but it shows there i dodgey stuff going on, and its never all wiped out. Its just my hunch that its going to be prima involved...
they have hundreds of rooms with a tiny user base that equates to under 50 players per room. How could they all survive if they wernt based upon embellement, and operating as a tax free bank account for many rich people.
if you can think of a reason id love to hear.
robwhufc
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Short version (hoping it's not deleted again)
Sites based offshore because UK, US etc ban online gaming under current legislation - not for tax reasons.
England doesn't have own "cyberspace" jurisdiction
1st 2 links talk about embezzlement of funds to use for gambling - nothing to do with taxes (or Prima)
3rd link just says that Party Gaming is overvalued in some analysts opinion - again nothing to do with thread.
You cant avoid taxes by playing poker to any great extent - you can "lose" a small sum to a relative to reduce your estate, but not hundreds of thousands.
Prima is software system used by companies that are unable to provide own system.
1st draft was a monster - grrrrr!
Sites based offshore because UK, US etc ban online gaming under current legislation - not for tax reasons.
England doesn't have own "cyberspace" jurisdiction
1st 2 links talk about embezzlement of funds to use for gambling - nothing to do with taxes (or Prima)
3rd link just says that Party Gaming is overvalued in some analysts opinion - again nothing to do with thread.
You cant avoid taxes by playing poker to any great extent - you can "lose" a small sum to a relative to reduce your estate, but not hundreds of thousands.
Prima is software system used by companies that are unable to provide own system.
1st draft was a monster - grrrrr!
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topp44
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your wrong mate.
party gaming is one of the ftse100. competing with oil companiies and construction firms, banks and moble phone. ****ing huge. but becuase they are based off shore they dont pay no tax. its billions of $$$$ of pupic money that isnt being claimed. and its going directley to the boards.
the other topic, some of those links ar tenuous, but finding data is hard when the subject is technically liable. if anyone suggested it prima could take them to court.
I cant see why anyone would oppose the change to taxing them. its only the business men at the top would loose out. (unless u have a vested interest?- daddy?)
About the cyber space comment... they call it part ov the global commons. One of the lastunclaimed fronterrs of concour in the developing world. (on a par with outer space, oceans, arctic etc) i studyded it a little at univercity.
It is not beyond anygovernment to claim there own cyber space by law and regulate it.
It is perfectley legal. for the goevrnment to make law claiming 'cyberspace' over there physical land. With the aim of " providing stabe and secure communication to benefit the public need) - ie- in a way they wouldnt let anyone operate there own tv or radio channel fromt ehre own home.
the english government could then charge licence fees to international companies. (ie- gibrlarars companies) for them to operate under our cyber space. This money would then be used to educate my children intot he danger of fast food, mobile pnones, and smoking to many bongs.)
(im not talking about taxing the individual on your winnings)
just the business people who make more money than similar sized busineses simpley becuase they are tax exempt.
hopefully this should be my last post on this topic . lol
party gaming is one of the ftse100. competing with oil companiies and construction firms, banks and moble phone. ****ing huge. but becuase they are based off shore they dont pay no tax. its billions of $$$$ of pupic money that isnt being claimed. and its going directley to the boards.
the other topic, some of those links ar tenuous, but finding data is hard when the subject is technically liable. if anyone suggested it prima could take them to court.
I cant see why anyone would oppose the change to taxing them. its only the business men at the top would loose out. (unless u have a vested interest?- daddy?)
About the cyber space comment... they call it part ov the global commons. One of the lastunclaimed fronterrs of concour in the developing world. (on a par with outer space, oceans, arctic etc) i studyded it a little at univercity.
It is not beyond anygovernment to claim there own cyber space by law and regulate it.
It is perfectley legal. for the goevrnment to make law claiming 'cyberspace' over there physical land. With the aim of " providing stabe and secure communication to benefit the public need) - ie- in a way they wouldnt let anyone operate there own tv or radio channel fromt ehre own home.
the english government could then charge licence fees to international companies. (ie- gibrlarars companies) for them to operate under our cyber space. This money would then be used to educate my children intot he danger of fast food, mobile pnones, and smoking to many bongs.)
(im not talking about taxing the individual on your winnings)
just the business people who make more money than similar sized busineses simpley becuase they are tax exempt.
hopefully this should be my last post on this topic . lol
robwhufc
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Tell me you are joking, please. I pay taxes for what?topp44 said:
No, i don't own party poker (or Prima network]topp44 said:
Eh?topp44 said:
Sadly I think this is as likely as you getting an answer to your Prima emailtopp44 said:
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xdmanx007
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I have been using online poker to launder my profits from a venture into mental chemistry for a quite some time now.
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dave1957
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It"s true that they are hooked up to the same servier. But most of the on line sites are. Example Noble,Betfred,CD,Ttian,Fairpoker and software of that group are on servicer. It a way they can get a lot of people playing and make money on the rake. Is it a skam I donot know if that true or not.
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dave1957
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I work on a Casino boat here in Iowa as a cashier. We are trained by the IRS on what to look for in people that comes up to our counter, and cash in over $10,000 in a 24 hour period and what paper work to fill out. We watch for people that do money laundering.
Like it was said here the reason that all poker sites are over sea, is it Illegal here for a person to own a poker site on line, because it would be to hard to trace the flow of the money.
Like it was said here the reason that all poker sites are over sea, is it Illegal here for a person to own a poker site on line, because it would be to hard to trace the flow of the money.
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topp44
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eh, i realise there are limits, but isnt this usualy at the discression of the pokerroom manager or the poker room owner? There are loads of storys of people playing with millions.
+, i wasnt thinking so much about the little player, but the dodgey business man who invests $1 000 000 in opening there own prima room. (or the fiftey or so people that own the prima rooms)
+, i wasnt thinking so much about the little player, but the dodgey business man who invests $1 000 000 in opening there own prima room. (or the fiftey or so people that own the prima rooms)
Dennis C
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I just put $50 on the prima network and by January 1st it will have grown to $200,000.00topp44 said:
How will this happen you ask? Prima is offering the 1st ever Columbian Drug Cartel match bonus.
You see it would seem that these kingpins have entirely to much money on there hands and are hiding it on Prima sites. I have this on Topp authority.
For every two people you refer this month prima will cover the burial expenses of 12 orphans in Belize. Did I mention that I'll be a billionaire in 7 mins.? My cat's breath smells like cat food.
One conspiracy after another and so little time to Jerry-rig-bug-aloo-alfalfa-patch.
That's going to be my last post on this subject. I'm on Topp of it.
I have to add that because of the quote in this response my spell check has went on strike. I've seen better understood words come out of a drunken Irish hooker.
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the knob
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The reason that royal vegas responded to your email to Poker Time is that Royal Vegas, Poker Time, and 7Sultans are part of the same organization (not Prima, a smaller corporation). When I signed up for 7Sultans, I would occasionally receive emails from Royal Vegas and if you go to one of their sites and shut down your browser, you'll often get a popup for the other site.
Grumbledook
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whats your thoughts on all the other poker networks then?
its fairly common practice I don't have an issue with it
if governments thought there was a problem, then it would be dealt with
you don't like it then you don't play there
it is really that simple
its fairly common practice I don't have an issue with it
if governments thought there was a problem, then it would be dealt with
you don't like it then you don't play there
it is really that simple
Dennis C
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If you read a little bit deeper in this hilarious thread you'll find that we have fully adressed this issue. I also noticed that a lot of the prima sites DO NOT have the same tourneys. Two of them could have a special freeroll that you can't get from the other sites. So I guess I now see what you are talking about with the smaller corporation.the knob said:
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topp44
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its the same kind of company that sends me bulk mail for "buffalo meat" and the like, and in 10 years time i suspect the auto filters will clean there bulk mail out of eveywhere before anyone is unfortunate enough to read it.
They dont even have any regulation on there site like all the other major sites and they have over 100 smaller companys in total.
i just dont want other players to get skammed there thats all. but i dont play there.
Regarding the government and the law... i think this will happen in the next 5-10 years.
They dont even have any regulation on there site like all the other major sites and they have over 100 smaller companys in total.
i just dont want other players to get skammed there thats all. but i dont play there.
Regarding the government and the law... i think this will happen in the next 5-10 years.
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Threesixes
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In my opinion Royal Vegas is one of the better online casinos out there. The cards seem to come realistically and even more importantly, my experience with their customer service is above average. If all that stuff you claim is going on, I'm sure its not just at Prima. And given that you have such concern for people paying taxes, I trust that you report any monetary gains from online gaming.
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topp44
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its probably not just prima no. some other rooms will do the same thing on a smaller scale but prima is prime canditadate. these people operate best when they have a network of rooms to hide the transactions in. I said it already. its like En Ron. Loads of companys, only a couple in profit. but the debts and dodgey money get lost in all the other rooms.
On the final note- i havnt got no winnings yet. i might try and bribe prima when i get some proof. See if i can get $10 000 out of them to start a bsnk roll.
lol, cheers brianna c,
On the final note- i havnt got no winnings yet. i might try and bribe prima when i get some proof. See if i can get $10 000 out of them to start a bsnk roll.
lol, cheers brianna c,
gordo30
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topp44
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i like it...
why on earth do you want people calling you up...
if its a decent site you wouldnt even need to use the customer service.!
+, it isnt primas customer cervice, its an independant customer service company that operates for all the prima group. Prima just chose them. They arnt managed by prima.
the more youv been in contact with the support the worse the site becuase you needed support.
why on earth do you want people calling you up...
if its a decent site you wouldnt even need to use the customer service.!
+, it isnt primas customer cervice, its an independant customer service company that operates for all the prima group. Prima just chose them. They arnt managed by prima.
the more youv been in contact with the support the worse the site becuase you needed support.
robwhufc
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Topp - this thread is on it's 3rd page now. I thought you said you weren't going to post about this again. I admire your tenacity regarding your anti-prima stance, but your posts simply are not factually correct. Prima is not connected with Bet365, Gaming Club is not connected with Royal Vegas etc etc - Prima is the licencing software that the other companies use to run their poker room. It appears there is a relationship between pokertime and royal vegas (see the post at the top) which isn't stated on their sites, and there are some sites on there I wouldnt touch with a barge pole - i looked at Grand Bay poker for example - the "about us" and "security" sections didn't give any info at all about the company. I will say though, that I would trus bet365 over 75% of other sites because of the financial strength of their parent company - as to the smaller sites on Prima, no way, but that's not down to prima.
Please Topps, we are aware of your position. Don't post any more unless you are posting FACTS.
You've got to stop stating your opinions as fact.
Please Topps, we are aware of your position. Don't post any more unless you are posting FACTS.
You've got to stop stating your opinions as fact.
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