thedarkman
Legend
Platinum Level
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Lucky River
Rock Star
Silver Level
beautiful river 2%, poker stars can surprise players)))
theANMATOR
Legend
Bronze Level
6 outs is only 2% ? seems off but I'm not a math type player so your probably right.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
6 outs is only 2% ? seems off but I'm not a math type player so your probably right.
According to Equilab you had 20,91% on the flop. Its not only the pure outs, that matter, but also redraws and backdoors. 9-6 or 9-J would give you a pair, but it would also give him a straight. 7-A, 7-T, 7-8 or 7-7 would give you a straight, but it would also give him a boat or quads. On the other hand Q-J would give you a straight, and A-T, A-8 or T-8 would counterfeit his pair and either give the win to you (A-T) or result in a chopped pot.
As for the hand it seems like, you only started with 5BB, but I would still have folded a hand this bad preflop. However once you called and connected with the flop, even just a gutshot, it was correct to go with the hand. I typically do this in the form of a stop-and-go, where I open jam the flop hoping to get some folds. Your stack was almost to short for even that play though. But who knows, maybe he would actually have let go of a hand like the one, he had, which would have been a great result.
mina271
Legend
Bronze Level
Both hands are weak hands and where he raised his 77 on it is also a mystery to me but he had at least a pocket pair on hand even if it wasn't a very strong pair and he was the dominant one because he had a lot more stack on hand so it didn't hurt to lose a few chips. Calling the flop with 69 was a very daring attempt. I am glad that this turned out well for you, but for me it is very questionable whether I would have called there at all.
Baldy86
Legend
Bronze Level
typical bait hand
there are only two 7s left in the deck and of course it comes on the board / river giving you the straight and him the set
yesterday i lost a lot of chips because the 6 of clubs on the turn gave me the straight and opponent the flush .
and then i got eliminated later having K-Q and the board : K-T-6 . i bet he calls , turn 6 , i go all in he calls with A-6 ....lol . of course he has to have the 6 and hit one of the 3 remaining 6
meh
real life poker is what matters
there are only two 7s left in the deck and of course it comes on the board / river giving you the straight and him the set
yesterday i lost a lot of chips because the 6 of clubs on the turn gave me the straight and opponent the flush .
and then i got eliminated later having K-Q and the board : K-T-6 . i bet he calls , turn 6 , i go all in he calls with A-6 ....lol . of course he has to have the 6 and hit one of the 3 remaining 6
meh
real life poker is what matters
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
if you mean live poker, board runouts are the same. poker is poker.
Baldy86
Legend
Bronze Level
takinitSLEAZEE
Legend
Loyaler
You're .55 cents away from playing in a freeroll. I don't know why anyone would give u static about playing this hand. You were in the $, already. Screw these armchair poker critics and play your game. Crack that ceiling, darkman. :top:
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
dude the game is the same, obv live poker is more slow and you have live reads. if you deny that you sound just like another "riggie" who tries to justify why he lost online. and there are many of them already on all the poker forums
Baldy86
Legend
Bronze Level
dude the game is the same, obv live poker is more slow and you have live reads. if you deny that you sound just like another "riggie" who tries to justify why he lost online. and there are many of them already on all the poker forums
but it is rigged . i dont understand why this is so hard to believe . it definitely is rigged . it has absolutely nothing to do with "yOu PlAy MoRe HaNdS oNlIne"
i have already posted enough regarding online poker being rigged in other threads . i dont think there is need to go further into it in this thread
if you dont believe that online poker is manipulated then ok ....what can i say . you wont change your mind anyway so believe what you want mate
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
but it is rigged . i dont understand why this is so hard to believe . it definitely is rigged . it has absolutely nothing to do with "yOu PlAy MoRe HaNdS oNlIne"
i have already posted enough regarding online poker being rigged in other threads . i dont think there is need to go further into it in this thread
if you dont believe that online poker is manipulated then ok ....what can i say . you wont change your mind anyway so believe what you want mate
lol so you ARE just another "riggie" who probably observed a few hundred or thousand hands at freeroll and micro levels and now is convinced that its all rigged
in poker you need a database with millions of hands or ten thousands of games to determine real numbers, it does not matter if you saw your aces cracked two times in a row, in the short run there is a lot of luck involved. obv online this process is much quicker than live. but you probably not understand this and you are not willing to learn. its more easy to say "nah its rigged, live poker is what matters" so do you have any evidence for your claim? i guess the answer is no
it does not matter what nonsense-posts you already wrote here, actually its pretty ridiculous to come to a forum where they try to promote the game and get new players into online poker and claim that you know its rigged based on abolutely nothing. i dont think cardschat need members like you who are basically good for nothing and only take what is provided to them for free.why would a sane person come back again and again to a place where they feel like they are getting cheated? makes no sense.
Baldy86
Legend
Bronze Level
calm down dude
i mostly play freerolls nowdays because of the rig .
as i said believe what you want .
i will give you only 1 example of how it is rigged and will not go any further . not long ago i had 3 royal flushes within 3-4 days on a site . and i am not even multitabler
if you think that this is legit then go ahead .
also lol at you assuming stuff about me without knowing me
bye
i mostly play freerolls nowdays because of the rig .
as i said believe what you want .
i will give you only 1 example of how it is rigged and will not go any further . not long ago i had 3 royal flushes within 3-4 days on a site . and i am not even multitabler
if you think that this is legit then go ahead .
also lol at you assuming stuff about me without knowing me
bye
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
ok the way i talked was a bit harsh. excuse me for that. do you have a screenshot of the royal flushes? i mean everyone can say that you know
was it on the same site in one day?
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Absolutely true. This particular hand was played on pokerstars, where Cardschat host a lot of their freerolls. Signing up to PokerStars through the CC affiliate link also give players from certain countries access to exclusive "value added" games. And for those forum members like myself, who are serious about online poker, we obviously also want new players to come into the games, because otherwise the games will eventually die out. So it is actually kind of amazing, that CC tolerate all this purely anecdotal nonsense about "rigged poker sites" in their forum. It sure does not serve anyone other than those people with oversized egos, who need to blame their losses on someone or something else
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
Absolutely true. This particular hand was played on PokerStars, where Cardschat host a lot of their freerolls. Signing up to PokerStars through the CC affiliate link also give players from certain countries access to exclusive "value added" games. And for those forum members like myself, who are serious about online poker, we obviously also want new players to come into the games, because otherwise the games will eventually die out. So it is actually kind of amazing, that CC tolerate all this purely anecdotal nonsense about "rigged poker sites" in their forum. It sure does not serve anyone other than those people with oversized egos, who need to blame their losses on someone or something else
yeah i mean they take the benefit of the free entrys to the CC tournaments but give exactly zero back. actually the oposite is true, they make beginners uncomfortable with their conspiracy theories about online poker and that is for sure not what an affiliate like CC aims for since i guess a lot of beginners sign up here.
an example: a local restaurant works with a bio producer of meat. this restaurant gives out free burgers every wednesday if you like them on facebook. now there is one guest who always shows up for the free burgers but always talks to the other guest "how he is so sure that meat isn't bio". he obv has no evidence but its not needed because his opinion is what counts.
cardschat should think about banning people who only post here to make online poker look bad. i can understand when u post out of frustration once in a while but if your only input is that online poker is rigged, you should not be welcomed on a forum whos business basically is to advertise online poker.
just my opinion.
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fundiver199
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This one really made me smile, because its exactly, what all those "online poker is rigged" posts are like. I am not saying, that it should not be allowed to be critical of certain poker sites in a poker forum. But at least base it on something factual like their TOS, the quality of their software or support, their rake, their game selection, their policy on third party software. Anything but this "I know, its rigged, because its my opinion" nonsense. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Also going back to the hand, what it is even, that people find so special about it? We have a Villain with a very large almost 100BB stack opening it up with 77 in late position, which is of course completely standard. Then our Hero decides to defend his big blind by calling with 96o, even though Hero only has a 5BB stack. This is definitely not standard, and as I said already, I would have folded.
Hero did call though, and this created a fairly awkward situation on the flop with an SPR, that must have been close to 0,5. Neither player really hit the board well. Hero flopped a naked gutshot, and Villain flopped an underpair to the board. Apparently Hero now checked (I would have donk jammed), and action was on Villain, who should probably have checked back. When Villain get it in here, all better hands and hands with good equity are calling, and most worse hands are folding.
Villain did actually manage to get called by worse though and should have been very happy to see, that he was against just one overcard and a gutshot. Then however came the 7 on the river improving Villains hand to a set, which he did not need, since he was already ahead, and also improving Hero to a straight. So Hero scooped the pot, and Villain lost a whopping 5-6% of his stack, which I dought he lost any sleep over.
Yet somehow some people are able to make a leap from this kind of weird hand, where both players made some questionable decisions, to the fact, online poker is rigged. I mean like WTF did that come from???? A common hypothesis is, that its rigged to make the big stack win, and here the big stack lost due to a bad beat on the river, after the chips had already gone in. Makes no sense whatsoever, but again everyone are entitled to have an opinion - and an asshole
Hero did call though, and this created a fairly awkward situation on the flop with an SPR, that must have been close to 0,5. Neither player really hit the board well. Hero flopped a naked gutshot, and Villain flopped an underpair to the board. Apparently Hero now checked (I would have donk jammed), and action was on Villain, who should probably have checked back. When Villain get it in here, all better hands and hands with good equity are calling, and most worse hands are folding.
Villain did actually manage to get called by worse though and should have been very happy to see, that he was against just one overcard and a gutshot. Then however came the 7 on the river improving Villains hand to a set, which he did not need, since he was already ahead, and also improving Hero to a straight. So Hero scooped the pot, and Villain lost a whopping 5-6% of his stack, which I dought he lost any sleep over.
Yet somehow some people are able to make a leap from this kind of weird hand, where both players made some questionable decisions, to the fact, online poker is rigged. I mean like WTF did that come from???? A common hypothesis is, that its rigged to make the big stack win, and here the big stack lost due to a bad beat on the river, after the chips had already gone in. Makes no sense whatsoever, but again everyone are entitled to have an opinion - and an asshole
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
Also going back to the hand, what it is even, that people find so special about it? We have a Villain with a very large almost 100BB stack opening it up with 77 in late position, which is of course completely standard. Then our Hero decides to defend his big blind by calling with 96o, even though Hero only has a 5BB stack. This is definitely not standard, and as I said already, I would have folded.
Hero did call though, and this created a fairly awkward situation on the flop with an SPR, that must have been close to 0,5. Neither player really hit the board well. Hero flopped a naked gutshot, and Villain flopped an underpair to the board. Apparently Hero now checked (I would have donk jammed), and action was on Villain, who should probably have checked back. When Villain get it in here, all better hands and hands with good equity are calling, and most worse hands are folding.
Villain did actually manage to get called by worse though and should have been very happy to see, that he was against just one overcard and a gutshot. Then however came the 7 on the river improving Villains hand to a set, which he did not need, since he was already ahead, and also improving Hero to a straight. So Hero scooped the pot, and Villain lost a whopping 5-6% of his stack, which I dought he lost any sleep over.
Yet somehow some people are able to make a leap from this kind of weird hand, where both players made some questionable decisions, to the fact, online poker is rigged. I mean like WTF did that come from???? A common hypothesis is, that its rigged to make the big stack win, and here the big stack lost due to a bad beat on the river, after the chips had already gone in. Makes no sense whatsoever, but again everyone are entitled to have an opinion - and an asshole
and then they bring up more evidence:
that kq hand lol. opponent spiked a 6 on the turn after calling the flop (which is in most cases completely standard) so basically the guy shoved allin almost dead with maximum 2 outs on the turn and lost. must be rigged
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
and then they bring up more evidence:
that kq hand lol. opponent spiked a 6 on the turn after calling the flop (which is in most cases completely standard) so basically the guy shoved allin almost dead with maximum 2 outs on the turn and lost. must be rigged
In fairness the play with KQ was also fairly standard, assuming reasonable betsizing was used on all streets. But setups or coolers are part of the game, and its certainly not true, they only happen online. There are many videos on Youtube showing some pretty sick hands from televised live games, where sometimes millions of dollars were on the line
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
In fairness the play with KQ was also fairly standard, assuming reasonable betsizing was used on all streets. But setups or coolers are part of the game, and its certainly not true, they only happen online. There are many videos on Youtube showing some pretty sick hands from televised live games, where sometimes millions of dollars were on the line
yeah i mean i dont blame him for losing is money in that spot. i just think its ridiculous to point this hand out as a rigged hand when he got his money in on a street where he had maximum 2 outs
as u said already poker is just a sick game. coolers and bad beats happen all the time, live and online. a lot of advanced beginners won't acknowledge that and go with the mindset that they know how to play and therefore deserve to win. but thats not how it works and if the loose its the site's fault.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
yeah i mean i dont blame him for losing is money in that spot. i just think its ridiculous to point this hand out as a rigged hand when he got his money in on a street where he had maximum 2 outs
Sure. He focus on the fact, his opponent got lucky on the turn, but he forget, that he also got lucky on the flop. A6 was actually ahead of KQ preflop, so the two players took turns getting lucky and improving their hand.
A lot of people also expect instant results. So if they are not winning after playing a few tousind hands online, then in their opinion something must definitely be wrong. Another common problem for live players moving online is, that they tend to overestimate their skill. Maybe they are used to playing 1$/2$ cash in their local casino, and such games are often incredibly soft. Or they did well in a few equally soft low stakes live tournaments.
Online however competition is much tougher, unless you start in the micros, and there are also differences to, how the games play. In live poker a lot of weak players can be pushed around, because they are insufficiently rolled and playing with "scared money", or they dont want to bust from the tournament and have to go home.
But this does not excist online, since people can play for much less money, and if they bust from a tournament, the next one has already begun. Nobody is gonna make a huge fold online, because they are scared to lose 10 dollars or need to start over with another tournament.
So if the live player uses a strategy, which is heavily focused on bluffing, that is going to be a total disaster against recreational players online. And then we get these statements, that the games must be rigged, and the fish always get lucky, bla. bla. bla. While in reality they are simply adjusting poorly to the games, they play in.