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crookedMouse
Rising Star
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recently, i discovered that players on poker.com are allowed to use third party tracking programs such as sharkscope. a player on their site, MrMannybuck used a program like that in a sit n go tourney. i know this because he told me in chat exactly how much money i had lost at their site, to the penny. when i informed poker.com, they replied to me with:
"That player is using a third party tracker site such as Sharkscope.
Those sites use only publicly available information to track tournament play, such as what hands you played, etc. and compile it.
While we do not condone the use of those sites, they are entirely legitimate, and they do not have access to /any/ sensitive private information.
Basically, how they work is exactly the same as if someone at a live poker game was sitting there writing down with pen and paper what occurs, who bet what, who won and lost what hands, etc., it simply does it faster and more efficiently.
What that player did, however, was a breach of ettiquette, by trying to disrupt your game by acting as if he did have sensitive information (which he does not). The player will recieve a warning about this, and if he is found doing it again, there will be disciplinary action taken."
This is in direct violation of poker.com's own terms and conditions:
6. Artificial Intelligence.
We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence (non-human) to play on our site. Such programs are often designed to send information about cards or players to an external program. Your are not permitted to, and you agree not to, cause any such program to access our site or any data on it and you are not permitted to access any such data and send it to any other parties. You consent to the Company taking measures to prevent and detect the use of such programs using methods including but not limited to screen capture or reading the list of currently running programs on any player's (including your) computer.
sites like sharkscope are clearly AI, so tell me how this is not in violation of the terms? poker.com patronized me with doublespeak by saying they do not condone these programs yet will not prevent people from using them. this software is tantamount to cheating. can you sit at a table in a poker room and use an odds calculator every hand? and though it is "exactly the same as if someone at a live poker game was sitting there writing down with pen and paper what occurs," you show me how somebody is going to sit with a pen and paper and track the plays of thousands of players. it is the ethical equivalent of insider trading on Wall Street, in my opinion.
Poker.com copped out. they allow people to cheat, in violation of their own terms of service. call me a fish if you like, i don't care. but cheating is cheating, and Poker.com clearly encourages cheating. it is disreputable business practices like these that fuel the fires of hatred against online gaming in the US.
"That player is using a third party tracker site such as Sharkscope.
Those sites use only publicly available information to track tournament play, such as what hands you played, etc. and compile it.
While we do not condone the use of those sites, they are entirely legitimate, and they do not have access to /any/ sensitive private information.
Basically, how they work is exactly the same as if someone at a live poker game was sitting there writing down with pen and paper what occurs, who bet what, who won and lost what hands, etc., it simply does it faster and more efficiently.
What that player did, however, was a breach of ettiquette, by trying to disrupt your game by acting as if he did have sensitive information (which he does not). The player will recieve a warning about this, and if he is found doing it again, there will be disciplinary action taken."
This is in direct violation of poker.com's own terms and conditions:
6. Artificial Intelligence.
We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence (non-human) to play on our site. Such programs are often designed to send information about cards or players to an external program. Your are not permitted to, and you agree not to, cause any such program to access our site or any data on it and you are not permitted to access any such data and send it to any other parties. You consent to the Company taking measures to prevent and detect the use of such programs using methods including but not limited to screen capture or reading the list of currently running programs on any player's (including your) computer.
sites like sharkscope are clearly AI, so tell me how this is not in violation of the terms? poker.com patronized me with doublespeak by saying they do not condone these programs yet will not prevent people from using them. this software is tantamount to cheating. can you sit at a table in a poker room and use an odds calculator every hand? and though it is "exactly the same as if someone at a live poker game was sitting there writing down with pen and paper what occurs," you show me how somebody is going to sit with a pen and paper and track the plays of thousands of players. it is the ethical equivalent of insider trading on Wall Street, in my opinion.
Poker.com copped out. they allow people to cheat, in violation of their own terms of service. call me a fish if you like, i don't care. but cheating is cheating, and Poker.com clearly encourages cheating. it is disreputable business practices like these that fuel the fires of hatred against online gaming in the US.
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