PartyPoker Change Confusing

[KristaK]

hi hi
i no understand how 100bb mandatory buy-in for cash games effects me, a micro stakes player?
i read this in the article: "By making players buy-in with a significant stack, it will dissuade users from playing for higher limits than their bankrolls can support, and completely prevent them from moving up just because they can scrape together a minimum stack at a high stakes table."
please please, can someone explain what exactly that means? (so a blonde can understand lol)

 

[PaxMundi]

If you play 2nl your original buy in must be for $2 you cant buy in for less than $2. Then you can sit and play that buy in with auto top up on or off. But when you first sit down at the table your buy in must be for 100bb. So when you see new people sitting at your table that buy in for $1 on a 2nl table they cant do that any more new players must buy in for $2.

 

[theRaven68]

it is only a defending of their action, there is no protection because player need to invest more funds when he/she sits at the table, it means that more money is in danger to be lost

 

[Play_Analyst]

it is only a defending of their action, there is no protection because player need to invest more funds when he/she sits at the table, it means that more money is in danger to be lost

The way I see it is if you can't afford to sit down with a full buy in then you shouldn't be playing at that level. Good bankroll management says that you need at least 20 buy ins in your bankroll before sitting down at any particular level. For example if you have a bankroll of $40.00 then you should be playing at the $0.01 / 0.02 level and no higher.

If on the other hand you have $1000.00 in your account then you should only really be sitting down at the $0.25/$0.50 level

As for it meaning that more money is in danger of being lost, again if you can' beat the game at that level then you shouldn't be playing at that level.

Buying in for the max amount is something I recommend so yo can maximise your winnings. I also top up for that vey reason.

 

[Pablo22]

A lot f people don't like playing shortstackers.

 

[PHX]

If you want to play a cash game the minimum amount you can buy in with is 100 Big Blinds.
I cannot say if and how it would affect you because I do not know your cash strategies or your buy in amount tendencies.
For players who already buy in deep it has no effect and they will welcome change as there will be more money on the table to be won.
For players who used to buy in at 40-60 big blinds they will now have to buy in more and it may also affect their game strategy.

In my opinion the reasoning behind change:
Bigger Stacks = More Rake
They want to show that they are more focused on and care about recreational players.
Change narrative away from the other changes.
It could have been a suggestion from feedback from their cash game regulars and they are trying to please them.

 

[fundiver199]

I think, the reasoning given by partypoker is quite non-sensical. If they were a political party, I would say, that they have very good spindoctors. And I agree with those, who say, that most likely its about increasing rake by making the pots bigger. Or its about pleasing cash game regulars, so that they will suck up the other changes, that were already made, and stay on the site.

Deeper stacked poker is more complex, so it will tend to favour experienced players over less experienced players. With 40-50BB starting stacks its typically never a huge mistake to just go with a big overpair, but with 100BB stacks there are lots of postflop situations, where you need to be disciplined and find a fold. And who have the most difficulties finding folds, it is of course the new or inexperienced players.

So the only way, this "protect" someone, is by not allowing people to give off a huge non-HUD fish tell by buying in for their entire remaining balance. If you see someone sit down with an odd amount like 7,84$ at a 10$ table, you can pretty much put a "fish" label on that player right away, because no good solid winning player would ever buy in for his entire balance. This is always someone, who lost the majority of his deposit, and now he is looking for a quick dubble up.

 

[Tenek26]

hi hi
i no understand how 100bb mandatory buy-in for cash games effects me, a micro stakes player?

Hello.


This does not mean anything good, at least for new players. New changes require you to play only with a deep stack (100 bb), which means that hobby players will start to lose more money.

The fact is that for a cash game, there are 3 different strategies. Short stack strategy (sss, 20 bb), middle stack strategy (mss, 40-50 bb) and large stack strategy (bss, 100bb). So bss strategy is the most difficult, and if a person is not experienced, he will lose a lot of money. At the time of the poker boom, all the strong players played according to the sss strategy, as it represents a minimum of thinking and reduces the risk of losing money. After a while, the poker rooms began to struggle with this and closed the opportunity to play cash games with a short stack. Now the minimum buy-in is 40bb or 50bb (depending on the poker-room). Partypoker decided to remove even 50bb and made only 100bb, thereby breaking the ecosystem for new players. I think that they did this in order to increase their profits, since a larger rake is collected in large banks.
The only exception is ACR and several Asian networks, these teams still allow you to play sss.

 

[fundiver199]

The fact is that for a cash game, there are 3 different strategies. Short stack strategy (sss, 20 bb), middle stack strategy (mss, 40-50 bb) and large stack strategy (bss, 100bb).

Personally I think, short stacking ruin a cash game, because all the action is typically going to be preflop or on the flop, as you see in tournaments. And this is annoying not only for good players, but also for those recreational players, who like to see flops, turns and rivers. After all NLH is supposed to be a 4 street game, not a 1 or 2 street game.

So I am totally on board with poker sites requiring players to buy in for at least 40-50BB. However taking it a step further and requiring a uniform 100BB buy-in add little extra to the game in my opinion. And it take away the option for players to take a "sneak-peak" at a higher limit without risking more than their usual buy-in, which frankly I see no harm in.

 

[Tenek26]

After all NLH is supposed to be a 4 street game, not a 1 or 2 street game.

Hello shark . Of course there is a point in your words. But first you need to answer 2 questions. What level of skill a person has and how much money he have.

The sss strategy is for new players who are just starting their journey and do not have money. Does it make sense for a new player to play with 100 bb against a hard regular players?

 

[fundiver199]

I totally get, that short stack poker is easier to learn, but if you prefer that format, then why not play tournaments? A standard SNG start with 75BB, but after the first few blind levels stacks almost always become short, and you have no more tough decisions to make, if someone raise you on the turn.

If you want to become a cash game player and eventually compete at stakes, where the money matter at least a little bit, then I really dont see any point in learning a 20BB or 40BB strategy first. You will need to learn a 100 BB strategy later anyway, and its a lot cheaper to make a mistake for stacks in a 2NL game than to make the same mistake later, when you have moved up.

So personally I always recommend people to buy in for 100BB, and also use auto top-up. The only exception would be, if you want to take a sneak peak at a higher limit, because you spot a huge fish at the table, or whatever. Then there is no need to be religious about it and risk an amount of money, which is perhaps outside your bankroll, just to sit down and play a few hands with the fish.

As for what policy poker sites should have, I am totally fine with the 40-100BB buyin on sites like Stars or 888. And if they were going to change it, I prefer, that it would be in the form of a higher maximum like either 200BB or match the largest stack, as some live casinos do.

What Party is going to do now, is presumably a fixed 100BB buyin, and that does seem a little bit unflexible to me. For me it would not be a deal breaker, but I dont think, its brilliant either.

 

[KristaK]

ty ty ty
for the explain
HUGS