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Spikey
Enthusiast
Silver Level
How do you all feel about players being paid to play by the poker site? i was shocked when i was informed this is really being done. is it really acceptable?
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dregan
Legend
Platinum Level
And in more detail you can find out what exactly you mean. On which site and for what? I hear it for the first time.
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Spikey
Enthusiast
Silver Level
What i mean is you can do work for a casino and get paid, and also gamble at the same casino your working for. Like if your a jockey riding a horse your for sure no allowed to gamble or even give advise to anyone.
lcid86
Legend
Loyaler
casinos have players they 'pay' to ensure action. Which poker sites are paying, and how much are players getting?
MishkaZL
Legend
Platinum Level
This is the first time I've heard about it. I think it's a joke. But if not, then this is probably the best job in the world.
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Spikey
Enthusiast
Silver Level
This is the first time I've heard about it. I think it's a joke. But if not, then this is probably the best job in the world.
Its no joke it really exist. The question is do you want to play against them?
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
This is nothing new mate. There have been sponsored pros since the birth of online poker, and they have played a big role in making poker popular. They include very well known names such as Daniel Negreanu (first pokerstars now GG Poker) and Cris Moneymaker (first PokerStars now ACR). They are not being paid specifically to play but more to promote the poker site in general. But of course that does also include sometimes playing there and in this day and age often streaming, while they do so.
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Spikey
Enthusiast
Silver Level
True mate, and it dont bother me that at high stakes there is promoted people, but now we see they hire people to beat up the micro stakes, in my eyes thats wrong. Low stakes already pay real high rake and now also have to play against paid to play players hmmm.
quick
Legend
Silver Level
I mean most live physical poker rooms pay some players to play. They're called "prop" players; basically they're paid by the hour to play poker in the room. Usually they're used to help start new tables, or fill seats at short handed games to keep them going. They almost always play with their own money.
I could see poker sites doing this too to get more action going across stakes. And if they're licensed/regulated I imagine IF it's allowed, they would have to pay players in some form to start games or fill short games. I can't imagine a regulator would allow a site to have employees sitting down to play for this use.
As for pros and sponsored players online, as others said that's been going on since online poker existed. They usually get paid but in may be in various forms whether that's increased rake back, free tourney entries, a set lump sum (ie sponsored payment), or volume based.
In terms of whether "prop" players are used online or not, I don't see a problem with it as long as they aren't employed by the site or using a superuser account (which if found out, as we learned from UB scandal, will destroy the site so I imagine sites are incentivized to ensure that risk is very low). Most of these prop players will be playing with their own money on the table (and just getting paid hourly or some other form of pay for showing up and filling a seat). And either way the site still makes money off of them through rake and fees.
I could see poker sites doing this too to get more action going across stakes. And if they're licensed/regulated I imagine IF it's allowed, they would have to pay players in some form to start games or fill short games. I can't imagine a regulator would allow a site to have employees sitting down to play for this use.
As for pros and sponsored players online, as others said that's been going on since online poker existed. They usually get paid but in may be in various forms whether that's increased rake back, free tourney entries, a set lump sum (ie sponsored payment), or volume based.
In terms of whether "prop" players are used online or not, I don't see a problem with it as long as they aren't employed by the site or using a superuser account (which if found out, as we learned from UB scandal, will destroy the site so I imagine sites are incentivized to ensure that risk is very low). Most of these prop players will be playing with their own money on the table (and just getting paid hourly or some other form of pay for showing up and filling a seat). And either way the site still makes money off of them through rake and fees.
Luvepoker
Lost in the twilight zone
Community Guide
I know they do this in casinos as well. They get paid to play but there there during the slow periods to make sure games can be played and started. Its there money on the line when they play but they get a stipend to play on top of there win or loss for the day.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
On which site(s) has this happened, and what evidence do you have?
AKQ
Legend
Bronze Level
Cardschat members hire me to beat up Micro stakes all the time
theres alotta blood on my rails
evidence
AKQ's GTO Stake
Cowbell 7.70 Stake Rail profit 103$
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...-stake-410643/
5x5.5 AKQ GTO Stake cashed 2 of 5
MTT #3 AKQ stake cashed 2 of 3
AKQ MOSS #1 #10 #14 #15 (SOLD OUT) cashed in 2 of 4 Deep MTTs
30x 1.10 $ on demands ACR-AKQ
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...-steak-465213/
Zero to Venom Hero 800$ profit
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...l-mtts-485844/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...leader-483206/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...ss-0-a-486203/
Noss#0 42/5200 losing hand
all in preflop A7 vs 92s
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...max-x7-486441/ -14$
Noss#39 14/937 pinnacle losing hand
AA vs k6o for 2 million chips
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...owbell-486833/
1st place NOSS #73 STUD
25TH/858 place 3Kgtd A8 VS 35
__________________
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...s-98-a-487352/
3/123 STUD HI/LO
Zorba
27
Platinum Level
That's because a jockey can influence the outcome of a race or pass on insider information.
Totally different to a site sponsored pro in a poker game, the outcome is decided by the RNG.
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There are sponsored pro's at every level, a lot of people want to play against them.
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Spikey
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Thats cool then have them tagged so players can see if they are on the payroll or not, and can decide if they want to play against them, for me that would be fair play. ;-)
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LetterRip
Rock Star
Bronze Level
There are 'prop' players - players who are payed to keep games going and to start games, I'm not sure if it is done online, but it is definitely a thing live.
https://poker.fandom.com/wiki/Proposition_player
They don't get to game select, and they play using their own bankroll (they are only paid an hourly wage), so it isn't necessarily a great deal for the player.
Online many sites hire named poker pros for promotional purposes. Usually there is a requirement that they play a certain number of hands or hours per year and not play on other online sites.
I suspect this is often why you see 'bankroll challenges' done by pros. They can put in the hours cheaply, but reduce their risk if they are having poor online results. (The contracts with the online casino probably require a certain number of hours at the high stakes levels - part of the reason for hiring the named pro is to entice whales to play high stakes so they can brag about playing with/beating so and so).
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Zorba
27
Platinum Level
They are.
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Try using a different colour if you're going to put a reply like the following into someone else's post, I only just noticed that you squeezed it into my post.
What scandal would that be?
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Lena M
Legend
Loyaler
Hello.
Honestly, I don't care. I am confident in the reliability of the sites on which I play and therefore I do not worry at all. Maybe some little-known sites attract players in a similar way, but my bankroll is not affected, so I do not care.
Honestly, I don't care. I am confident in the reliability of the sites on which I play and therefore I do not worry at all. Maybe some little-known sites attract players in a similar way, but my bankroll is not affected, so I do not care.
Emily Trott
Legend
Loyaler
It isn't a craps, blackjack, roulette, baccarat, etc.., table so you should not have to play against the house, and that is what it essentially is. I believe that it is unethical, and is not the same as having a shill(s) at those previously mentioned tables, because their employee is actually affecting the other players.
lauestla
Legend
Platinum Level
I agree. IMO it’s not fair. First because you should be aware that you are playing against a sponsored player. And second because I can imagine I would play a different way if the room gave me the bankroll. Easier to risk money when it’s not yours and you know your bankroll will be automatically refilled.
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tladake
Rock Star
Bronze Level
i heard there are people who hire good players, one of my friend work like this for years and earn money playing for someone else. He get percentage from what he win and no risking his own money. But never heard that, poker sites do this same.
Adi8877
Visionary
Silver Level
I don't like it, don't like to play vs. them - even if they are far from the best players -, if I am very polite, especially not online. Generally have no trust in anybody if it is about money. It is a conflict of interest in my point of view. How can I be sure they don't manipulate the game, as it is technically possible????
And online, it is far different like live. I don't care how they earn money or how much, only the above conflict of interest thing. All of them have some streaming channel and/or video sharing/soc media one, so they earn from there + sponsored and paid by rooms + the poker winnings. As the rooms exactly know it - and all rooms employ players like them -, I highly doubt about the agreement between them about poker winnings. Is there a poker winning share back, like in general backing, if it is that means the room has huge interest in game manipulation. and none of the sides will confirm that, and as it is possible, i dont believe if they simply say no, they don't do. Similar like rng programing, playing style recording, tracking etc., as all those theoretically possible, too.
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Spikey
Enthusiast
Silver Level
One of my freinds said "so do you think the bots is actually also owned by the casino" i can only say i really dont know. But i would not be surprised if that will be the new Century scandal.
Calling staff for sponsered is really strange, maybe i should call those working for me in construction sponsered also ROFL is this the new way of doing tax evasion? or is there an explanation of a person getting paid for doing work for a casino and receiving payment as "sponsered".
I find casinos yet again riding on very thin ice!
Calling staff for sponsered is really strange, maybe i should call those working for me in construction sponsered also ROFL is this the new way of doing tax evasion? or is there an explanation of a person getting paid for doing work for a casino and receiving payment as "sponsered".
I find casinos yet again riding on very thin ice!
MishkaZL
Legend
Platinum Level
Honestly, for me the main thing is my skills and my experience and therefore, for me it doesn't matter who my opponents are. If they get paid for the game, then I don't mind.