Mutual backing, soft play, chip dumping

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glworden

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I and four friends played a tourney last night at the Leelanau Sands. Prior the tourney, one friend suggested we take it easy on each other and stay out of each other's pockets. I said no way. I take no quarter and give no quarter. I have to admit that if I'm short stacked, it's late in the tournament, and I have my choice of dumping my chips to a friend or to a stranger, I'd be tempted to steer them to my friend.

But soft play and chip dumping constitutes collusion and it is cheating. I'm sure other people do it, which I decry. I know that players back each other in the big tourneys, and I really think that creates some conflict of interest. At the very least, I think tournaments should demand full disclosure of such deals so that they can scrutinize suspicious play when "partners" or "team members" are seated together. What I'm saying is this: put me at a table with Doyle Brunson or Daniel Negreanu, and I'm sure I could whip either one handily. But if they're invested in each other, there's bound to be a temptation to support their investment to my detriment. I don't think you can stop players from buying a piece of another, but it should be out in the open.
 
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Good point. As much as i would like to have this fix, i think it's very difficult if not impossible to control. I mean who's gonna stop me from playing nice to a woman i like at the table Or not play against someone i find scary looking. is the tournament director gonna come done and force me to reraise her because she's sexy or at least call with my 99 vs the scary looking guy, or just have me booted from the tournament for not playing my normal poker. the worst part is when you call someone your friend at the table, now you're asking for trouble and all hands will probably be scrutinized. is that fair? i don't know..... i wish there's some way of making players act solely in their best interest in winning the tournament.

curious to know what TDs do to catch soft play and chip dumping? or is it the players that catch em. would suck to accuse someone of cheating and they're not.
 
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What I'm saying is this: put me at a table with Doyle Brunson or Daniel Negreanu, and I'm sure I could whip either one handily.

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What I'm saying is this: put me at a table with Doyle Brunson or Daniel Negreanu, and I'm sure I could whip either one handily.

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Nice post by a new member pointing out one of the problems inherent in online poker & laying out your position on the issue & then the above statement :eek: without the requisite :) or:rolleyes: or:p. Care to try again?
 
BillyTheBull

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Prior the tourney, one friend suggested we take it easy on each other and stay out of each other's pockets. I said no way.

What I'm saying is this: put me at a table with Doyle Brunson or Daniel Negreanu, and I'm sure I could whip either one handily.

Good for you, and good for you again (although I wonder what makes you so sure you could "handily whip" two of the world's best poker pros :icon_scra).

Anyway, integrity starts with every individual player first, and then with all the other players at the table who need to pay attention to what's going on around them. Don't be afraid to speak up -- if you notice something improper or suspicious going on, immediately tell the dealer and/or call the floor manager over.

I believe that most poker players are honest and have a vested interest in keeping the game fair for everyone involved, as do the casinos, both online and "in the flesh". Often inexperienced or just plain unaware players may attempt something stupid without even realizing it could be construed as cheating or collusion, and they usually will stop doing so as soon as they've been warned by the dealer or floor personnel. In an extreme case, if the casino fails or refuses to address the issue properly, write a letter to the establishment's management and/or the gaming commission of the applicable state; however, this should be a last resort and you'll probably need some rather serious suspicions (and reasonable data to support it).
 
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