Independent RNG Audit

[Cmoneytaker5]

is it possible for us players to ask for an independent RNG Audit lets say from Stars or Carbon or 888?
This would solve once and for all the never ending question of rigged or not.
Google is company who could do that. They have the know how.

 

[Jillychemung]

Most RNGs have been certified by independent labs as a part of the operators gaming licenses in jurisdictions that require it. For example pokerstars has this on their web site - https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/

Players will never organize nor collect the funds necessary to pick their own auditing firm and no company would ever allow their code to be inspected by anyone not of their choosing except under regulation terms.

 

[Cmoneytaker5]

The pokerstars RNG Audit is a joke! Pokerstars payed the inspectors! 😂😂😂 independent it means independent, it can’t be independent if I pay u to inspect me.

 

[chicopaw]

if a site has the juradiction to operate , then that country ,state will have their own liciensed inspectors / audit teams to check any poker sites operating systems, I cannot beleive they would allow a site to just conduct there own audits, If that were to happen sites could easily manipulate forge there audits

 

[Clowntown]

It would be great to have more extensive/trustworthy RNG audits for some of the US-Friendly poker sites. For example here is ACR's RNG certificate. As you can see it's over 3 years old and it doesn't even say how many hands were evaluated. It just says " The card shuffle tests were conducted on large enough samples to give the calculations sufficient statistical power".

I've also seen some US-Friendly poker sites that don't have an RNG certification at all. Or they say they're certified but have no proof of it whatsoever. Hopefully, in the future, there is better regulation so US poker players don't have to put so much faith into poker sites maintaining ethical practices.

 

[Jillychemung]

The pokerstars RNG Audit is a joke! Pokerstars payed the inspectors! 😂😂😂 independent it means independent, it can’t be independent if I pay u to inspect me.

Auditing firms don't do it for free and you can bet the licensing authorities aren't putting up the $$$ so yeah every audit is in one way or another paid for by the site thus paid for by your rake.

 

[chicopaw]

this is so pointless everyone,,,of course someone needs to pay for it ,,i think it would be from both parties, the site and the governing authoruties,,, if you buy gasoline the way you are talking then your're saying the independent gas stations have paid a company/or person to come and audit/approve the pump meters when pumping gas , they would be all shut down if this ever was to happen
its rubbish to even think it would be allowed to have there own people audit a legal casino/ poker establishment that they own without government intervention

 

[Andrew Popov]

Independent audit can be done only by a solid stable company that does not have any financial interests in the gambling business. All the so-called companies that now issue their certificates and permits are not. If you look at what licenses poker rooms - you will see private firms from Curaçao and Gibraltar. What are the reasons to trust them? They just do business together.

its rubbish to even think it would be allowed to have there own people audit a legal casino/ poker establishment that they own without government intervention

All right, no poker room will not allow you to check your code. No one. They will find thousands of reasons for this.

 

[Matros]

manipulation of online RNG

I just say, and I know, because of I am a regular player, and a realy good one Live that online poker RNG is rigged.

Consider this statement:

"Poker software, like all software, cannot be assumed to be reliable. It is always possible that a person is exploiting the software to win money from victims"

 

[Alizona]

The absolute BEST way to "audit" the RNG's is to have a database of EVERY hand played on the site, it should be anonymized data of course, remove all player name data... but just continuously perform rigorous statistical analysis of that data stream in real time, nonstop, 24/7/365

Of course, no site is doing this, nor has anyone proposed they do it. It's not in the best interest of any site to perform this testing on their RNG (it is in the players best interest of course, but not the sites). They have no incentive to ensure their RNG is random, no player is going to stop playing on a site because they haven't rigorously tested the RNG, we're suckers and saps for the most part. We'll believe anything we're told, just look at this past year of the "Plandemic" for proof of that statement.

For those who know the AP/UB story of the "Potripper" superuser account... it seems foolish for us players to ever trust a poker site 100%, they have no incentive to be honest or forthright with us, there is no consequence for cheating and there are huge financial incentives if they think they can get away with it without being caught... and with no RNG testing in real time, they could be getting away with anything and we'd never even realize it. Player beware, this is why I play with freeroll funds that I grind up and never play with "my own" money!!

 

[DS3]

Auditing firms don't do it for free and you can bet the licensing authorities aren't putting up the $$$ so yeah every audit is in one way or another paid for by the site thus paid for by your rake.

Right, so just so we are all clear on this...independent firms certify the RNG of the sites and are then employed long term to police the sites that they have 'independently' verified.

Good arrangement.

I am with Alizona on this- why anyone plays on line with their own money is beyond me.

Well , that is not true, it's is not beyond me. Patently some players enjoy favorable runs and if I was one I would deposit and raise stakes. However when either being dealt endless rags while having any infrequent strong hand promptly trashed I simply navigate the free rolls.

And spare me any variance argument after all the hands I have now played. The more I play, the more I study, the more my results dip on two high profile sites - bluntly I feel I am sat in the unfavored seat every time I play. Minutes ago I went out with pocket kings to the big stack with pocket sixes - no biggie excepting the fact that such outcomes have been relentless and for months.

Meanwhile, on another site (which is not so convenient for me to play) in a late tourney yesterday I was up and down yet battled to take 2nd out of 795 runners. The difference is like chalk and cheese and at the moment I feel only one of the sites I play on appears to play in a truly random manner. Sorry, but I feel a healthy amount of skepticism is better for the bank balance