With all of the troubles over at Lock Poker and Revolution I think it's time for you to either pull or update your Lock Poker affiliate page. I mean you guys are giving Lock Poker a 4.5 star rating out of 5, rating them 9/10 in both withdrawals and support., 8.5/10 in traffic, 9/10 in soft traffic lol. I mean cmon.

Just recently the biggest online poker forum pulled all Lock advertising and won't allow them to promote their site there anymore due to all the BS they have been pulling recently. "Fair Play" segregation, ROW cash outs that take months while every other ROW site pays out in days, US cash outs taking much much longer, support constantly lying through their teeth and giving vague answers. They also recently decided that if you have ever received at P2P transfer that you are no longer eligable to cash out any money from the site. There are guys with hundreds of thousands of dollars in their accounts that Lock just made worthless overnight. Lets see what else.......they aren't paying money owed to other skins on the network. They are blaming PLAYERS for the cashout problems they are experiencing. Not to mention their traffic has taken a nosedive. Lock Poker money is valued at around .35 to 40 cents on the dollar right now but is effectively worthless. Monopoly money has move value.

It's pretty shady to keep advertising and recommending Lock Poker to your members with all of this trouble facing the site. On top of that suggesting that members deposit money to take part in a freeroll for cardschat members. Not a good look imo.

This is news to me... Just started playing on Lock Poker. Made a deposit bla bla bla.
What is P2P ? transfer from another player as ”pay to play„ ?

Player to player.

Originally Posted by kcanuck

Player to player.

In that case he always can withdraw his money by sending back to the player who staked him

I think that since you receive your first transfer P2P you is no longer eligible to make withdrawals totals Lock Poker ..

Wow I hadn't heard the P2P story. If that is true, that is outright theft. They allow it to be an option, yet now punish you for using it. I never liked Lock,and only ever made on unsuccessful deposit that I lost and I never redeposited. Lock is worse than FTP IMO.

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/loc...ud-050313.html
Part of it

Case in point: One supposed “affiliate” repeatedly asked why his referrals were unable to cash out faster. The Lock Poker affiliate manager became suspicious of this “affiliate”. Through extensive security protocol that cannot be revealed here for obvious reasons, Lock was able to determine that this “affiliate” had actually created the multiple suspect accounts. The initial investigation revealed a large group of accounts directly connected to these initial accounts, further investigations then uncovered even more accounts linked to the same group.

Lock might as well be writing the articles on that site themselves.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=38375788&postcount=1

+1

i researched lock and deleted it, to much bad hype about withdrawls.

yea lockpoker so garbage never liked and and the withdrawals are horrid

Man I had a friend recommend it to me but I am glad I didn't sign on. Sounds rough.

I don't have lock poker.
though about it till I started reading about how bad they are
and backed off.
I have been reading the same things about black chip/ intertops as will.
I don't care for the software much look and feel is not that good

Don't know where you are reading bad stuff about Intertops and BCP. Both are in the top tier for processing withdrawals to players.

if cardschat is offering freerolls on Lock, who are we to complain about it. do your due diligence when any site regardless of who/what promotes it. if you feel its not worth playing there or anywhere, then dont. Thanks for the Cardschat for such a great forum and for the freerrolls

Originally Posted by T-Dubs82

if cardschat is offering freerolls on Lock, who are we to complain about it. do your due diligence when any site regardless of who/what promotes it. if you feel its not worth playing there or anywhere, then dont. Thanks for the Cardschat for such a great forum and for the freerrolls

very true i guess it is free money lol! why would it matter if it takes 6 weeks?

Originally Posted by ChronicFlash

very true i guess it is free money lol! why would it matter if it takes 6 weeks?

6 weeks?!?! consider yourself fortunate

Originally Posted by D'wilius

Lock might as well be writing the articles on that site themselves.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=38375788&postcount=1

Am i to believe someone who has under 200 post's at 2+2

Believe that particular post or not, it's clear that Lock is going down the crapper.

bc it's all about the $ ldo

Originally Posted by kidkvno1

Am i to believe someone who has under 200 post's at 2+2

The OP of that thread is the guy who started/runs http://pokerfraudalert.com

Originally Posted by themosthigh

Don't know where you are reading bad stuff about Intertops and BCP. Both are in the top tier for processing withdrawals to players.

Absolutely, I recieved my check from BlackChip 17 days from request.

Originally Posted by T-Dubs82

if cardschat is offering freerolls on Lock, who are we to complain about it. do your due diligence when any site regardless of who/what promotes it. if you feel its not worth playing there or anywhere, then dont. Thanks for the Cardschat for such a great forum and for the freerrolls

Not complaining about them offering a freeroll. The op was more about their affiliate page up top. If you were a new US player and came across cardschat and clicked on their "US Poker Sites" tab up top you would see their number 2 recommendation is Lock Poker. They sure make it sound like a great place to play. Most people wont spend an hour on the web researching a site if a large community such as cardschat is recommending it as the 2nd best site for US players to play on. Look at that sweet logo on the page! "Top rated! Legal, Safe, Secure, High Quality Rooms Only!" Then they list Lock in 2nd place with an 8.58 rating and a supposed cash out speed of 15 days...........15 days!!!!!!!!!!! Click on that link and they basically get a 5 star rating from cardchat. Laughable.

I deposited $30 bucks for a chance to play in the CC $500 freerolls and have played in just about every one of them. To date I have quadrupled my $30. I do not do P2P so that fact doesn't really bother me. Whether I wait 2 weeks or 6 weeks, it doesn't matter as long as they send it. That $30 was a very good investment for me. I like the software and enjoy playing there. Now, if I should have a problem in the future cashing out, then my opinion may change. But but as of right now I enjoy playing at Lock and will continue to do so. Thanks CC for the games!

Originally Posted by quintass

I deposited $30 bucks for a chance to play in the CC $500 freerolls and have played in just about every one of them. To date I have quadrupled my $30. I do not do P2P so that fact doesn't really bother me. Whether I wait 2 weeks or 6 weeks, it doesn't matter as long as they send it. That $30 was a very good investment for me. I like the software and enjoy playing there. Now, if I should have a problem in the future cashing out, then my opinion may change. But but as of right now I enjoy playing at Lock and will continue to do so. Thanks CC for the games!

I agree, i had the old account at Lock Poker, and made the first deposit to play Cardschat Freeroll tournament. I have no complaints Lock Poker, only the delay in payment of withdrawals is much larger than the other rooms of the network, while Juicy Stakes, Betboo etc., make payments 48h Lock Poker takes around three weeks, but always received the money without problems since made ​​two withdrawals and all ok! Software is good, the player traffic also perhaps Lock should offer more promotions and tournaments Gold Chips to get even better

About lock poker, in a way doesnt surprise me. I remember when they left Merge gaming how people was saying they would never deposit on that site becuase of the history of the people running it. At the time I questioned it becuase I thought maybe it was people upset by their move... but looking like they was right now..

I was going to make a deposit to Lock Poker but now you have talked me out of it..... Does anyone no any sites that will let me deposit with mastercard im in the US....

6wks lol, 6 months if u did no player to players

Originally Posted by quintass

Whether I wait 2 weeks or 6 weeks, it doesn't matter as long as they send it.

Super lol at thinking 6 weeks is the long timeframe. I'd bet pretty much any amount of money that if you are American and try to cash out from Lock now that you won't have received it in 6 weeks.

i also have tried to get CC to comment on the state of lock and their support of them dispite all the complaints and have not heard from them, i can only guess that they are getting a good kick back and need to stay quiet to get paid. so i have not deposited there yet even though i really want a second site to play ring. my main site is bovada and dont trust their anonymous system to play ring and stick to mtt . thought lock might be worth a try but so many complaints about them and CC refusing to answer any of these threads has kept me from depositing there.

Originally Posted by smidjet

i also have tried to get CC to comment on the state of lock and their support of them dispite all the complaints and have not heard from them, i can only guess that they are getting a good kick back and need to stay quiet to get paid. so i have not deposited there yet even though i really want a second site to play ring. my main site is bovada and dont trust their anonymous system to play ring and stick to mtt . thought lock might be worth a try but so many complaints about them and CC refusing to answer any of these threads has kept me from depositing there.

So by insinuating CardsChat is corrupt and being dishonest to it's members with regards to Lock, I assume you won't be playing in any of the freerolls?

The one good thing I can say is that the other day cardschat did drop the deposit requirement to play in the freeroll but still the freeroll isn't the problem.

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i also have tried to get CC to comment on the state of lock and their support of them dispite all the complaints and have not heard from them, i can only guess that they are getting a good kick back and need to stay quiet to get paid. so i have not deposited there yet even though i really want a second site to play ring. my main site is bovada and dont trust their anonymous system to play ring and stick to mtt . thought lock might be worth a try but so many complaints about them and CC refusing to answer any of these threads has kept me from depositing there.
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Only from Oregon!

Originally Posted by quintass

I deposited $30 bucks for a chance to play in the CC $500 freerolls and have played in just about every one of them. To date I have quadrupled my $30. I do not do P2P so that fact doesn't really bother me. Whether I wait 2 weeks or 6 weeks, it doesn't matter as long as they send it. That $30 was a very good investment for me. I like the software and enjoy playing there. Now, if I should have a problem in the future cashing out, then my opinion may change. But but as of right now I enjoy playing at Lock and will continue to do so. Thanks CC for the games!

gl bc you'll never see that 30$ again. Zero chance of cashing out under 4 months and at the rate Lock is going, you'll probably never get to cash out tbh.

I have withdrawn twice the past year and it was a 2 month wait each time (one was WU) which didn't bother me, as long as I got the money I am fine with that. What bothers me though is if you ever received a transfer you cannot withdraw. I know I have sent money but tbh not sure if I ever received one, I am going to have to check that out because that would be a deal breaker for me.

Wouldn't withdraw a balance under $100-$125 anyway. More fun to just keep playing with it.

I tried lock poker the other day and the software was terrible. Carbon has good software. Thankyou for all the information about this site!

Originally Posted by themosthigh

Not complaining about them offering a freeroll. The op was more about their affiliate page up top. If you were a new US player and came across cardschat and clicked on their "US Poker Sites" tab up top you would see their number 2 recommendation is Lock Poker. They sure make it sound like a great place to play. Most people wont spend an hour on the web researching a site if a large community such as cardschat is recommending it as the 2nd best site for US players to play on. Look at that sweet logo on the page! "Top rated! Legal, Safe, Secure, High Quality Rooms Only!" Then they list Lock in 2nd place with an 8.58 rating and a supposed cash out speed of 15 days...........15 days!!!!!!!!!!! Click on that link and they basically get a 5 star rating from cardchat. Laughable.

if you blindly deposit $ on anything without doing the most basic research, you deserve to get burned

Originally Posted by T-Dubs82

if cardschat is offering freerolls on Lock, who are we to complain about it. do your due diligence when any site regardless of who/what promotes it. if you feel its not worth playing there or anywhere, then dont. Thanks for the Cardschat for such a great forum and for the freerrolls

its pretty simple

Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

I have withdrawn twice the past year and it was a 2 month wait each time (one was WU) which didn't bother me, as long as I got the money I am fine with that. What bothers me though is if you ever received a transfer you cannot withdraw. I know I have sent money but tbh not sure if I ever received one, I am going to have to check that out because that would be a deal breaker for me.

I don't think that is actually the case, although all the talk from the 'poker community' seems to believe that is true, and they have some reason to. Communication has been poor on Lock's end.

They were dealing with some accounts that were buying up Lock funds at a discount and then trying to withdraw without playing. This is the issue Lock is trying to stop. There was at least one affiliate who created monkey accounts under his own banner strictly for the purpose of transferring funds to and withdrawing, with no actual play on the accounts. This is textbook money laundering folks, and it is a real issue even if players want to ignore it.

Right now there is a such a huge fuss going on, any time a Lock rep says anything they are pounced on and shredded on the forum. In a way I don't blame the reps for keeping mum until the issue can be sorted out.

Over the weekend, more than a dozen threads with thousands of comments of abuse showed up over there . . . just over the weekend. Give it a couple of days and see if they can get a clear message out. The mob mentality and shout-fest accomplishes nothing.

Also, the 6-month withdrawal time is an example of how the 'tale grows taller on down the line.' 3-months is the outside for receiving a check for US players according to most reports, and I personally know players are getting WU withdrawals in about 6 weeks.

I say this all the time, and it is still true today. Your money is not safe on any poker site, especially if you are in the US. You can wake up tomorrow and that site can be gone along with your money. That is reality, and it doesn't matter what site you're talking about. So it's a real 'buyer beware' situation. Don't risk what you can't afford to lose.

And as was suggested above, anyone calling for removal of affiliate banners should be barred from participating in the benefits those affiliate banners provide (freerolls and such).

Originally Posted by hackmeplz

The OP of that thread is the guy who started/runs http://pokerfraudalert.com

Even he should understand why Lock is cracking down on P2P transfers.


My take on why Lock is cracking down on P2P transfers.
Withdraw via lock, and they take a small fee to do the withdraw, so they get cash to keep the site up, P2P transfers and they get small fee for withdrawing.
20 withdraws at a fee of say $20.00 20 x $20.00 = $400.00
20 P2P transfers and one withdraw = $20.00 1 x $20.00 = $20.00
Which way is making Lock more money, Money they need to stay afloat!!

Originally Posted by quintass

Wouldn't withdraw a balance under $100-$125 anyway. More fun to just keep playing with it.

Yeah obv, but if you ever run that balance up to something you want to w/d, you won't be able too.


Lets be honest, Lock only has 4-6 months of operating left most likely. There not giving out w/d's, there stiffing affiliates and killing action at every level with fair play technology. if you haven't w/d yet, do it now or try to sell it off on the marketplace.

Originally Posted by kidkvno1

My take on why Lock is cracking down on P2P transfers.
Withdraw via lock, and they take a small fee to do the withdraw, so they get cash to keep the site up, P2P transfers and they get small fee for withdrawing.
20 withdraws at a fee of say $20.00 20 x $20.00 = $400.00
20 P2P transfers and one withdraw = $20.00 1 x $20.00 = $20.00
Which way is making Lock more money, Money they need to stay afloat!!

Or the most obvious reason: sites need new money (deposits) coming in to operate. P2P transfers make it possible to for users to play without depositing.

Originally Posted by kidkvno1

Even he should understand why Lock is cracking down on P2P transfers.


My take on why Lock is cracking down on P2P transfers.
Withdraw via lock, and they take a small fee to do the withdraw, so they get cash to keep the site up, P2P transfers and they get small fee for withdrawing.
20 withdraws at a fee of say $20.00 20 x $20.00 = $400.00
20 P2P transfers and one withdraw = $20.00 1 x $20.00 = $20.00
Which way is making Lock more money, Money they need to stay afloat!!

No actually they refund one fee/month and it costs them FAR more than the fee they charge to process an American withdrawal. For most people who transfer, it is an alternative to withdrawing. If they are legit, they have all the money from player balances in a safe place somewhere. So if 20 people want to each withdraw $20, they would have to pay to process 20 different payments of $20 each. If those 20 people just transfer to one person and he then withdraws $400, they're paying the same amount out and it probably costs less to process. Processing deposits costs money too so let's say the person actually wouldn't withdraw it. Eliminating p2p creates a situation of 20 people withdrawing $20 each and someone depositing $400. Net cash flow is 0 but they have to pay the fees to move money. If they just allow p2p now they have to pay $0 in fees and the net cash flow is exactly the same and everyone is just as happy.

The real reason any site at least claims to have a play-through requirement is to prevent money laundering. Money laundering does not hurt the site in the slightest but is usually required by regulatory agencies because governments tend to not like poker sites being places for terrorists to launder money. But let's be real if anyone is laundering money on Lock Poker right now they're just downright retarded.

Literally the only logical reason for a site to not want p2p transfers to cash out is if they don't have the money on hand. They only have to pay out 2k every 6 months or so, and lately they've been waiting 3-4 months only to deny NON-US cashouts. As long as they keep deposits incoming they can just rob peter to pay paul. But now that it's getting out on 2p2 and some poker media Lock is going to see traffic and deposits plummet, and unless they actually are solvent and just really really retarded, they're going to crash and burn in the somewhat near future. fwiw stinger aka Brian Hastings has offered to bet his 100k to someone else's 50k that Lock is insolvent. That equates to him thinking there is a 66%+ chance that they are insolvent and he's willing to put money on the line for it.

Originally Posted by xdeuceswild81xx

Yeah obv, but if you ever run that balance up to something you want to w/d, you won't be able too.


Lets be honest, Lock only has 4-6 months of operating left most likely. There not giving out w/d's, there stiffing affiliates and killing action at every level with fair play technology. if you haven't w/d yet, do it now or try to sell it off on the marketplace.

Wow, thats a pretty precise time frame for predicting a cardrooms demise. How'd you come up with 4-6 months?

Originally Posted by quintass

Wouldn't withdraw a balance under $100-$125 anyway. More fun to just keep playing with it.

Don't even think you'd be able to withdraw if you wanted to as they have a minimum amount you're allowed to withdraw. $500 I believe, correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by quintass

Wow, thats a pretty precise time frame for predicting a cardrooms demise. How'd you come up with 4-6 months?

lol have you been paying attention at all?

Clearly not if you actually think Lock is going to hold on for much longer. CC is really bad for news on this stuff ( just not their forte), but Lock is sinking super fast lately. From trips to Portugal for pro's, not allowing withdraws for weeks, no p2p xfers, the girah scandal, etc. etc.

The list goes on. Lock funds are selling at .3 on the $ right now on the 2+2 Marketplace, so that should give you an indication of the market's faith in Lock currently

Just read of a person on 2+2 who requested a cash out in December and he still hasn't received anything going on 20 weeks. Lock support keeps telling him "any day now" lol. If you look at pokerscout Lock has basically lost half its cash game traffic since March.