salim271
Legend
Silver Level
Lol thats what I thought, Howard Lederer is the man, I think everyone is friends with him... he doesnt start stuff with anyone.
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manvspoker
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I dont like Annie Duke at all. i mean when I watch her on tv, she just seems like a stupid player. Also I dont see how it is right that men enter a ladies tournament ,I mean whats the point of calling it a ladies tournament then?
GCB
Rock Star
Silver Level
No one has the right to use the "c" word with any woman for any reason. That's the bottom line. The word has only one purpose. To hurt the target. The purpose is not to correct, to enlighten, to educate or to bring around. It's to hurt. It's wrong and Daniel was out of line for using it. Period.
IMHO.
IMHO.
GCB
Rock Star
Silver Level
Further, Daniel just put himself at a disadvantage in his ongoing argument with Duke. He's not going to win any converts to his cause. (Except maybe the few yahoos who think calling a woman a "c" is praiseworthy, and who he doesn't need.)
Now she can take the moral high ground. What's Daniel's response going to be to that? Think of something worse to call her? He's got himself in a corner now and invited people to sympathize with Duke. I thought he was smarter than that.
Now she can take the moral high ground. What's Daniel's response going to be to that? Think of something worse to call her? He's got himself in a corner now and invited people to sympathize with Duke. I thought he was smarter than that.
naruto_miu
Legend
Silver Level
I was personally in Aww From his abusive language....I don't like it personally and I don't respect him for it at all..
It's like many things...Like Rap for instance It has a-lot of Offensive language, and yet even as that may be Society Allows such abusive verbal language to par take in every-day matters that may-be...Why because we as a whole have allowed such things to par take as if there nothing at all...
Now Daniel is doing the same thing, yet I personally don't like it at all...
It's like many things...Like Rap for instance It has a-lot of Offensive language, and yet even as that may be Society Allows such abusive verbal language to par take in every-day matters that may-be...Why because we as a whole have allowed such things to par take as if there nothing at all...
Now Daniel is doing the same thing, yet I personally don't like it at all...
The PoolBoy
Legend
Silver Level
I wash I never saw this post.... Changed my view of Danniel as a true gentleman and ambassador of the game. Watched 2010 wsop episode and just sort of put him in a different light. He seemed to have this aire of vanity and superiority in this coversation with female player to his right about her card capper being a pig. Turned into a statement of him being a vegan and he just seemed grossed that someone would actually like the taste of pork. Made me want to just want to rub bacon in his face.
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I for one don't care if someone is offended by what I say. If they have an argument against it then so be it. I'm really sick of people thinking that just because they don't like something that's said, then it just shouldn't be said.
I think Annie Duke is an idiot myself. She's Phil Hellmuth Jr. imho.
I think Annie Duke is an idiot myself. She's Phil Hellmuth Jr. imho.
naruto_miu
Legend
Silver Level
What one says and how one says what he says are 2 different things all together...For instance. I dislike Homo-Sexuality is a-lot better stated this way, then saying I ****ing hate Fags....
I'm all up for freedom of speech, yet when ones Verbal freedom is disrespecting one Sex, Race, Sexual Preference, Integrity, or just over-all makes a person or that persons peers look at that said player in a different manner then I'm against that....
Elie_Yammine
Visionary
Silver Level
WHAT IS THE C-WORD?
And yes it is a real question, i dunno i only thought of "crap" and then nothin else...
Regardless of that, could we all plz stop the "oh my!that was politically incorrect"...Society is so immature!I can't call blacks blacks, but I can call whites whites? WTF? ure black so u're black!U're yellow so you're yellow!no but if your name is Ali, then we will have to scour your ass before you can get on a plane!Never in my life have I seen such hipocrisy!
They express far worse thoughts on TV that deeply hurt a said person and they could all be lies and very wounding ones but no one cares as long as they're "tactful"! For christ's sake everyone swears!You see pictures of blown-up brains on TV, You see Sex all the time, You see racism without the need for the racist words! When a person is racist he can express it in a million "politically correct" way! But if he uses a wrong word, shame on him!Well, shame on you people for believing that crap when you're with free speech, I personally hate the lies that might become "true" and hurt a person thanks to the media and I'm against that...but If that's what it takes to keep free speech than I don't care! You cannot set a line or a certain degree for free speech, so people shouldn't be forbidden to say certain words in a childish attempt to make them rephrase!
So yes!I like what Daniel's done!There should be a whole lot more people with balls like him!
And yes it is a real question, i dunno i only thought of "crap" and then nothin else...
Regardless of that, could we all plz stop the "oh my!that was politically incorrect"...Society is so immature!I can't call blacks blacks, but I can call whites whites? WTF? ure black so u're black!U're yellow so you're yellow!no but if your name is Ali, then we will have to scour your ass before you can get on a plane!Never in my life have I seen such hipocrisy!
They express far worse thoughts on TV that deeply hurt a said person and they could all be lies and very wounding ones but no one cares as long as they're "tactful"! For christ's sake everyone swears!You see pictures of blown-up brains on TV, You see Sex all the time, You see racism without the need for the racist words! When a person is racist he can express it in a million "politically correct" way! But if he uses a wrong word, shame on him!Well, shame on you people for believing that crap when you're with free speech, I personally hate the lies that might become "true" and hurt a person thanks to the media and I'm against that...but If that's what it takes to keep free speech than I don't care! You cannot set a line or a certain degree for free speech, so people shouldn't be forbidden to say certain words in a childish attempt to make them rephrase!
So yes!I like what Daniel's done!There should be a whole lot more people with balls like him!
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ThunderPT
Rock Star
Silver Level
That's bullshit, you're a homophobic either way. That's exactly what I think it's wrong with today's society and I tried to explain in my previous post. It doesn't matter what words you chose, it's what you mean that matter, it's about the context and in that case you're saying exactly the same thing. Is one less of a racist if he says "All african-americans (another really stupid name) should pass way" instead of "All n***ers should f***ing die"? Seems like the exact same attitude to me.
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
^^^ This I must agree with.
Word are really irrelevant. It's the context and intent behind them. Of course in this case I think Daniel really intended it because he can't stand Annie Duke. At least he's not being fake nice like her -- I respect someone much more for being genuine if harsh, rather than a hypocritical two-face. Realize that Daniel is human like the rest of us.
Again, this was not a formal interview. It was said in a conversation which turned out to be published. I'm convinced Daniel would have chosen different words if he knew it was on the record, if for no other reason than concern for his own image. But I don't begrudge him the use of the word. And to people who consider it along the same lines as discriminatory slurs, I disagree. First, he's Canadian, and as has already been established, other cultures don't place the same weight on the word as American's do. Also, it's a gender-specific insult yes, but nobody cares when male-specific insults are tossed around (son of a bitch, bastard, etc., not to mention dick which is the corresponding male insult). It's a word that happens to describe the female target it is aimed at, and not a blanket term for all females. Pretty much exactly like the male-specific words, which, as a male, I don't think should be forbidden either.
There are a few hot-button words which carry such a heavy, globally-hostile meaning that they should be avoided by civilized, socially conscious people. The "N-word" comes to mind. The "C-word" isn't one of those, sorry. It never was intended to define a group of people, it was a vulgar reference to female genitalia. Why is it more socially acceptable to refer to a man in that way, but not a woman? Is it because of the traditions of honoring women? If so, then fine, but that's an argument against equality. You can't have it both ways. If you're going to argue against that word, then argue against all such words equally, but don't cherry pick based on a gender -- that's the oppose of equality.
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
So true. I can understand someone not liking certain types of language, and I try to keep people from hearing my dirty side if I think they might not want to hear it. But it doesn't change the meaning behind it.
slgalt
Rock Star
Silver Level
It was a public interview not some trash talk amongst friends. Offensive, wrong - no matter what - and extremely unprofessional to do in an interview.
If you read the comments on her blog from all the guys piling on it's gross and abusive. It's like using the n word, r word, or whatever thing offends you most. Sorry but even if you don't like her (or any other woman), she is a daughter, mother, sister, and fellow poker player.
If you read the comments on her blog from all the guys piling on it's gross and abusive. It's like using the n word, r word, or whatever thing offends you most. Sorry but even if you don't like her (or any other woman), she is a daughter, mother, sister, and fellow poker player.
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
No it wasn't, not according to Daniel. He was having a conversation with the guy that he thought was off the record. He didn't know it would be published as an interview, and apologized to any women who were offended at his use of the word. He didn't apologize about his opinion of Duke, however.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-cyd_Z3nF0#t=02m40s
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Will Gotti
Rising Star
Bronze Level
IMO Daniel should just ignore the woman completely and dismiss her from his thoughts. He should just drop it and don't talk about it to anyone especially conniving reporters. When I get to a point, I don't care what you are man or woman, if you get me so bent out of shape to where I don't give a shit if you live or die you don't exist to me. Just walk away simple as that. If you have to sit next to the woman at a tourney then so be it, to hell with circumstance that you just have to sit next to her. I know I probably couldn't have sat next to her like DN did and felt the way he does during their recent tourney.
I have lost zero respect for Daniel, I still like him. Women will say the most hurtful shit to a man just as bad or worse than **** if pissed off enough or just get/see him riled, so I don't feel bad for Annie one bit.
I have lost zero respect for Daniel, I still like him. Women will say the most hurtful shit to a man just as bad or worse than **** if pissed off enough or just get/see him riled, so I don't feel bad for Annie one bit.
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Amen to that!