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Twitch bans Daniel for breaking terms and conditions
In a follow up to Daniel Negreanu's verbal threats toward a stream commenter, Twitch has given him a permanent ban for disregarding their terms and conditions.
Daniel Negreanu Banned from Twitch, Sarcastically Apologizes for Tirade
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Twitch banned.. Negreanu apology
He seems to be unfazed and carrying on.
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Well done DM - very funny. Dont know why people think he has to act like a saint all the time
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I wasn't aware of anyone saying he has to act like a saint. But I think a goal might be do not get yourself banned from Twitch.
There were moments last year when he would lose it on camera at the WSOP, and they were largely understandable. This year a bad tempered undercurrent seemed to be running through his streams, with him swearing heavily and affecting a tough guy persona (a little ludicrous in a shrimp sized guy). Even Joey Ingram said he looks like he is constantly spoiling for a fight. There was already embarrassment before the WSOP kicked off with him making erroneous statements about the main event being held on GG Poker where he is an ambassador. He initially claimed it a freeze out and then had to walk that back completely. I think what screwed up for him this year was these were live unedited streams away from the public. All his previous vlogs were edited and his behavior moderated (mostly) by being out in public where he cultivates a specific image. What became self-evident during this WSOP is Negreanu does not have the temperament of a Jamie Staples to live stream. His shtick is always a weird mix of braggadocio and snow flake. It was a disaster waiting to happen. It was already embarrassing enough when he lost it over technical difficulties - clips of which had gone viral already. Its ironic because when Matusow blew up everyone said mental problems and he needed an intervention. I disagree. I simply think him a nasty guy - but lets face it he is playing bad boy not poker ambassador. However I do think someone needs to interject with Negreanu and pose to him maybe he is not cut out for live streaming. His 'apology' today as Twitch has now banned him, was naturally sarcastic and insincere as he begrudges having to make one in the first place. His prerogative of course, but he seems unaware he keeps chipping away at his own image. He did not seem to honestly acknowledge or believe that his rant(s) were enough to get him banned - it's a odd level of denial. He needs to decide what his image is - poker bad boy or poker ambassador. He has spent a career promoting the ambassador angle so the I personally think he needs to stick with that and understand if live, he really needs to moderate himself.
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Daniel became a real tough guy over the last few years lol
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I think, several of these big online companies are losing it quite badly. I got banned from Youtube for reasons, which are still completely unclear to me and was never explained by Google. Possibly it was for uploading some poker hand histories, which according to some is "promoting of gambling".
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re: Poker & Twitch bans Daniel for breaking terms and conditions
As for the story itself, I honestly dont care. Sure Daniel went over the top quite a bit, and this is not something, I would recommend other famous people to do. Better to just ignore the trolls and delete their comments. But that being said why do so many people think, it is ok to be completely obnoxious, just because they are doing it online against someone, who is famous? The guy, who attacked Daniels wife, was certainly not an innocent victim, so no need to feel sorry for him.
And finally those guys from the poker community, who feel, that they MUST comment on something like this, are just trying to promote themselfes. Doug Polk dont even play poker or create poker related content any more, so why would I even care about his opinion? Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one
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lol,,,,great job Daniel,,,now every idiot who wants to get a rise out of you will go right for the wife,,,
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Good morning.It´s bad news for GG poker that its main ambassador has this problem.But, I think he is not a good live streamer.What a difference with his previous WSOP vlogs!
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Have not been a fan since he sold out and started saying crazy things like "more rake is better".
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Pretty uncharacteristic of DNegs really...
Normally pretty much... ~EDiT:- Having a crazy hot spouse usually comes with a selection things you have to either deal with or put up with, haha.. |
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I'm not sure if he has the ability to control himself DNegs has narcissitic personality disorder.
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The real off note to me was after the incident, in the calm before the storm, he went to Twitter to brag about it. He detailed precisely what he had said then then signed off with an 'lol'. Jay Farber replied, offered some sympathy, but noted it was not a good look for Negreanu. So it was one of two things - a boiling point reached or a contrivance. Whatever. Just a very odd place to find 'poker's ambassador'.
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Hmmm that sounds more like President Drumpf. Love Daniel, poker needs personality, it is dull without happy, fun loving guys like him. The average Joe acts like a dickhead and nobody cares. The tall poppies like DNegs need to be able to be themselves from time to time, without everybody going apeshit.
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re: Poker & Twitch bans Daniel for breaking terms and conditions
They ban him they should listen to what Mike the mouth says to the people watching him on Twitch.
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Negreanu was furious and he admits it himself. There are more and more provocateurs these days. Even the most balanced person can not stand it. But Daniel retains a good sense of humor after all that has happened.
“It’s incredibly difficult to shatter teeth, and even for a practicing dentist, it’s even more difficult to place them in someone’s rectum,” the poker pro joked.
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Anyone would be enraged at receiving insults against his wife, but he is a public figure and should just ignore these people and ignore what they say. Maybe he should learn to handle himself a little better on social networks since his behavior by these means is not the best
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Talking like this on a social platform is not allowed , strictly . They have banned great names , with millions of fans , wouldn't they do it to him ?? Why ?? Because he is a famous , I don't get it . He couldn't restrain himself ?? This is a big problem of him if true . Idiotic decision to act so , cause he is also an embassador , who plays streams , and needs audience .
A poster wrote sth idiotic , a person who most probably is a keyboard warrior , a very coward one who wants to provoke Daniel using a disguisting way , by attacking verbally his wife . He should have ignored this coward , or if he really wanted there are ways to find out who he is , and sue him , not sth that I recommend for a social platform troll , they just deserve to be ignored . This way he lost . Smashing teeth and feeding them an***ly , is very bad words , on twitch there are also underage people ,not good things to be heard by tthem .... If he was banned permantly . not temporarily , this is one more sign that twitch is extremely serious with this kind of language , among other things (racism , nude content ,etc) . Not that they are not hypocrites as well , with two measures , double standards for many tthings or stereamers ...........
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Good for him. Not really a fan of his, but (to the troll) don't act like an asshat unless you're ready to take a beating. I wouldn't stand for that crap either, famous or not. To hell with Twitch. It's overrated anyway.
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All makes for good publicity, especially at these times when it’s difficult to generate so much interest online. Perhaps he is taking the mantle of “Poker Brat” from Phil Hellmuth?
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Pretty juvenile to get upset because some idiot you don't know says something on the internet to you. The mental fortitude to get through countless hours of bad beats without tilting, and some fool says something about the wife and you lose it?
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I wonder if his new attitude has come with his new muscles? Like he's jacked so he needs to act jacked or something. It may have always been his personality in private and we've all only seen the edited for public consumption DN. I don't know.
I do know he's an amazing poker player and his book Power Holdem Strategy was my "bible" when I first started actually trying to get better at poker instead of just playing. We all get pissed at times. Some of us blow up. He's just in the public eye.
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I watched this live and I just laughed. It's kinda weird how Twitch allows user to comment anything, even if it's insulting, but once the streamer say something they ban them.
I actually started liking Daniel more after I saw his streams, he was just basically talking about anything hahaha.
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I think they just allowed him back on. I don't thinks he's using the platform yet.
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I loved his streams.
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watched him again the other day 'by accident'... by that I mean > I saw GGPoker was on Twitch with quite a few viewers. I thought "Maybe they are live streaming WSOP?" And then I see it's Daniel "Big Pipes" Negreanu.
I'm surprised to see him on there (wtf??) Right away he's talking about his trainer, his dietician, his this & his that. Really? Who cares? Then he begins to talk about poker and tbh it was very very basic. He then 3bets w AQo vs an EP open & then the ss in BB jams on him for 13bb's & he calls. BB shows A5o. Daniel laughs. River '5' and he just FLIPS out... like someone who plays 3 tourneys a week and thinks it's rigged when this happens. He picks up his computer chair and THROWS it against the wall. (I thought he was joking at first with the outburst, playing up his recent escapades on twitch... but he was dead serious). He'd also made jokes about how he hadn't broken TOS of twitch so far as he hadn't mentioned putting any teeth into any body cavities. He's a jerk.
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he seems to have really turned into a jerk over the years,,, if he wasn't already one before. I don't know why but I've never been a big fan of Daniel.... so it kind of doesn't surprise me...is he taking steriods or anything i wonder,,, with all this anger..
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All of that is gone now, and we're seeing a shadow of his former self. As for Daniel, he doesn't care about Twitch, and he's never aspired to become the kind of streamer people like Jamie Staples are, because he's not focusing time on it. He said himself, he is streaming 1 hour a day, and that was enough for him. Also, Daniel pointed out (on DAT Poker Podcast) that internet issues tilt him, and while his reaction was a bit over the top, it's understandable that he'd get upset, because he's trying to win a bracelet in fields where he has an edge over to make deep runs, which he has, but he's just losing in the BIG spots in the latter stages of tournaments (ie: Losing flips). As for his "apology", because he doesn't place any priority on streaming, I think he's fully aware of the image that he has. He's not trying to be Mr. Clean or anything, he's trying to be authentic and in selling poker, you HAVE to be. You can't be fake, and if he was to continue the "edited" image that we used to see before streaming, people would say he's fake. Remember, you only saw bits and pieces of him before, but the 24/7 Daniel was always there, we just didn't see it. Now we do, and it's up to you to determine how you perceive him. I met him 5 years ago at a PokerStars event in Toronto, and got to talk to him for about 5 minutes (I'm the same age as him, also from Toronto, so there was a commonality there), and it was a great experience. He's not everything that you see on edited TV, he's just another guy trying to make his way in the world and enjoying life. If you are on Instagram, on my IG page, I have a picture posted with Daniel and I.
I'm not sure, but whether he is or isn't allowed, it's going to make zero difference in his poker journey. He doesn't need Twitch to sell himself, he's established his brand long ago. He's not losing any sleep over Twitch. If anything, Twitch needs him more than he needs Twitch.
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Not sure what I am missing, but I know I am against higher rake.
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I too have met Daniel on a few occasions (on the first meeting I had him autograph a Fulltilt Poker hat for me, lol). I didn't like him even though I too am from Toronto & I too hung out in a Pool hall as a teenager for years. So why does he stream on Twitch? I think he NEEDS it... I mean he came back on even after getting banned??? He needs it for his EGO. He needs to talk on & on about his trainer, his dietician, his this & his that. The guy discovers he can change from being a puney flabby pencilneck to becoming a scrawny sinewy pencilneck & now he's flexing his pea-shooters on twitch. As far as professional poker players in the public spotlight go, Daniel is not one of my faves. I think it's good that he will attract more players to GGPoker but that's about it.
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AQ < A5o for 13bb's
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I've seen people say worse and not get banned on Twitch, but it's not a good look. Ideally, it would be smart for him to appeal the ban and work to get a platform back.
Losing a revenue stream is just like burning money. Perhaps that's optimistic of me to think. If he gets that riled up over a random chatter, livestreaming probably isn't a good career path for him.
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Negreanu has been daily streaming live on You Tube and Facebook (as opposed to Twitter) all through his Mexican leg of the WSOP to play the GG tournaments. These streams have been multi hour affairs some extending to six hours so he patently (as Poker Orifice points out) is trying to develop a streaming audience, in no small part because he wants to sell shares and limit his personal exposure. Additionally, you appear unaware of the fact that no sooner had he been banned from Twitter and issued his non-apology apology in public (I presume as he is such the bad ****) he immediately went back to twitter and asked them to reconsider. They did and ultimately he has been allowed to stream again as of last week. The fact is Negreanu exposed through this series his petty, nasty side. He is in constant snowflake mode and takes endless offense at any and everything (its all very Trumpian, an irony lost on Negreanu). Whereas before his public profile was well edited. As he's kept up the swearing and offended routines on You Tube etc for the duration I am increasingly fine with it. The fact is he has blown up his own myth and settled for this weird frequently combative character which is truer to his real self than anything previously. Due to the times we live in I can see this new persona will have an appeal to many people so its hardly like this makes any difference in the bigger scheme of things. I just enjoy the fact the supposed ambassador of poker has now revealed himself as perpetually uptight and ready to freak out 24/7. Sorry I never labored under the impression Matusow was a rounded individual. He has spent the last several years spewing little but far right talking point and conspiracy. However all in a lucid manner. He is playing the WSOP and has his vlog and private games. I'm not sure shadow of his former self and a world passing him by is apt description.
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Daniel going to Mexico to play all these online WSOP events was almost certainly not only about him wanting to play, but also a part of his deal with GG Poker. And I dont think, someone with a financial situation like DNEG really need to sell shares in 5.000$ tournaments. This is also part of the whole marketing scheme. If people log on to GGPoker to buy a share of DNEGs next tournament, they might also end up playing some games and paying some rake themselfes
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However like all his vlogs I presume this streaming will be limited to a WSOP season. He has stated he is not really inclined to fly off for a few days here and there just to stream for GG especially after Covid 19 interrupted daily life. Sort of agree that Negreanu selling shares on GG is not necessary - it does appear to be seamless and instant with GGs software and it is good he promotes it (well it is an integral part of their operation), But, I have a feeling that Negreanu like Helmuth actually like to spread the risk. A lot of top pros can act blase about the losses through the WSOP - buy ins not being covered by cashes-but I think most r prefer to mitigate the outlay!
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...and just to sort of tail end this thread. I'll admit I have seen people mix Twitter and Twitch in the past and thought it was fairly dumb...and now I have done it three times myself.
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