PokerStars gives you another option to guarantee you a win in 'All-in' bets

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I don't know how this new feature is working, I played cash for several days occasionally and not once this magic button appeared for me (everything is enabled in options ;)), although I would have liked it to show up at least for a few times :)
 
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hi hi
i no understand how this functions
please can explain with an example?

i also read this, still confused sorry (blonde)
https://www.cardschat.com/news/pokerstars-online-poker-controversy-promotion-83974



Taken from the article...

If a player declines the offer, they must have the best hand at showdown to win the pot. The new feature has a bit in common with the hit TV show “Deal or No Deal,” where contestants are presented with a cash offer in each round and can either take that offer or risk it for a chance to win a larger cash prize.

Cash out value formula:
Hand value = (pot size – rake) x probability of winning
*1% cash out fee applied to value of each hand, not the size of the pot.

This is something you may need to try or watch in action, to completely understand.
 
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I don't know how this new feature is working, I played cash for several days occasionally and not once this magic button appeared for me (everything is enabled in options ;)), although I would have liked it to show up at least for a few times :)


It may only be available to some accounts? I'm not sure and I have not tried it yet, myself. The article also states the option is only available for micro-stakes cash games, if that helps you at all.

Here are more details in their blog post -

https://www.pokerstarsblog.com/en/n...=NOT_part_of_a_campaign&secondo=Not_a_product
 
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Taken from the article...

If a player declines the offer, they must have the best hand at showdown to win the pot. The new feature has a bit in common with the hit TV show “Deal or No Deal,” where contestants are presented with a cash offer in each round and can either take that offer or risk it for a chance to win a larger cash prize.

Cash out value formula:
Hand value = (pot size – rake) x probability of winning
*1% cash out fee applied to value of each hand, not the size of the pot.

This is something you may need to try or watch in action, to completely understand.
hi hi
ok thank you ... i goin try it!
 
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It may only be available to some accounts? I'm not sure and I have not tried it yet, myself. The article also states the option is only available for micro-stakes cash games, if that helps you at all.

Here are more details in their blog post -

https://www.pokerstarsblog.com/en/n...=NOT_part_of_a_campaign&secondo=Not_a_product
Maybe for real for certain players only. In this post they say "All-in Cash Out amounts will be offered to eligible players in all-in situations" - so does it mean being eligible as playing the stakes where this option is implemented or only a certain player pool of these stakes is eligible? :hmmmm: But if I'm not eligible why I have this option in settings ? Like I enabled it and will count on it but it will just not appear as I'm not eligible lol Doen't make much sense to me :confused:

But thank you for the link Shells, it was an interesting read.
 
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It is only offered at 2NL, 5NL and 10NL cash games, at least for now.
 
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hi hi i no understand how this functions please can explain with an example?

Lets take a classic example. KristaK have two black aces in her hand, and her opponent have two red kings. They get into a raise-reraise war preflop, until one of them is all in. There is now 10$ in the pot after rake (to make the math easy :)).

With 5 community cards yet to come, KristaK have 81.26% chance of scooping the 10$ pot, and her opponent have 18.74% chance. KristaK is already down quite a bit for this session and cannot bear the prospect of losing yet another big pot, if the Villain suck out on her aces. So she say "yes PokerStars insurance please!!!"

PokerStars now reward KristaK 8.13$ less 1% fee for a net win of around 3$. Villain is not interested in insuring his share of 1.87$, so he let the cards roll, but is now playing against PokerStars. If Villain get lucky, then Pokerstars need to pay him 8.13$ out of their own pocket, but if he loose to the aces, they get to keep 1.87$ from the pot. So for a fee of 1% PokerStars take on the risk, that KristaK did not want.

Now obviously paying for insurance is in itself a long term losing play. But if it can help keep you off tilt or reduce the risk, you need to move down due to a run of bad luck, then maybe it can sometimes be worth it.

Ideally we should be emotionless robots with endless bankroll, but the reality is often somewhat different. And for some people it can really send them off the rails to have their aces cracked. Maybe not so much by KK, but if the Villain is this example had showed up with something retarded like J4 offsuit, then its probably good for the mental health of many poker players to let him play against the house ;)
 
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Maybe for real for certain players only. In this post they say "All-in Cash Out amounts will be offered to eligible players in all-in situations" - so does it mean being eligible as playing the stakes where this option is implemented or only a certain player pool of these stakes is eligible? :hmmmm: But if I'm not eligible why I have this option in settings ? Like I enabled it and will count on it but it will just not appear as I'm not eligible lol Doen't make much sense to me :confused:

But thank you for the link Shells, it was an interesting read.

This is what I see on my PokerStars account settings. If you don't have it, maybe in time?

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This is what I see on my PokerStars account settings. If you don't have it, maybe in time?

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I have this option and it was enabled by default, but it didn't work :confused:

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I have this option and it was enabled by default, but it didn't work :confused:

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I've not tried it (honestly, I likely won't). Maybe a quick message to the Customer Support?
 
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After the appearance of this function may be more all in. PokerStars encourages risk.
 
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I'm not sure how I feel about it...I cannot play cash games on Pokerstars since I live in MN...but I did jump on and played some play chip games...I used it just to see how it worked and I would have won 2 of the 3 times I used it. :-(

I'm not sure why they added that feature..seems to me it devalues each hand if someone has option to end his/her hand and save a few bucks...
 
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PokerStars Rolls Out Controversial ‘All-In Cash Out’ Function

PokerStars, the world’s largest online poker site, introduced a new “All-In Cash Out” feature which allows players to take a guaranteed win during an all-in bet instead of risking losing to a suck-out.






Do you think this is Good or Bad for Poker?



 
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Bad. Poker has variance. If you cant stand it you are not rolled enough. Nothing more to said. I have permanently turned it off anyway.
 
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Do you think this is Good or Bad for Poker?

I honestly dont think, its particularly important. I played a 1 hour 4 table session at 10NL to test it out (I mostly play at 888 now), and during this time neither I or any other players were all in before the river, so it did not even come into play. This might be a bit extreme, but all in before the river situations are not as common in 100BB poker, as we might think. We just tend to remember them, because they are big pots.
 
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I finally tried this feature on regular tables - despite not working for me on Zoom tables, it works on the regular ones. So everything is fine, I guess.
 
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I finally tried this feature on regular tables - despite not working for me on Zoom tables, it works on the regular ones. So everything is fine, I guess.


Did you like the new feature?
 
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Did you like the new feature?
Well I played 2 tables before the league game a little bit, so had only 2 opportunities to use it. One time I used it - had flush draw with AKs in 4bet pot and was up against kings (overpair) - so I used this feature, but there was an ace on the turn, so I would have won :D And once I refused, but it was a split, so we just payed rake :rolleyes:

Overall I like that there is such an opportunity, but need to play more to see how it feels once there is not a flip, but a significant difference in equity :)
 
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I do not play that much cash games online but i certainly wouldnt play cash games live if they had this feature. It takes away alot in the game and imo more people would just go all in to not lose everything they already put in. Might as well play 50/50 super tight all day
 
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I have played another session on PokerStars and has also been offered the "cash out" option now. I did not take it though, because I was all in on the flop against someone with a very short stack, and he was way behind drawing to a runner-runner. There is no point in insuring a 25BB pot against a <5% risk of a suckout, so I just clicked "no thanks proceed action", he did the same, and it just caused a very short delay.
 
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Wow, back when I played a couple of years ago, this feature wasn't available. You are basically paying an interest in order to reduce risk.

Its a very smart idea from PS to have separate revenues other from rake.
 
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If I go to war with a guy, and we go all in, there should be a finality to the process, where one guy has to lose what he bet.
While the site makes money in the insurance, it is debilitating to have shot down my opponent, and have him still survive the episode...
It's like eating your cake and having it too...
 
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