Kym Lim defends quad Queens lay-down

[Shells]

How many poker players could lay down quad queens in the situation where Kym Lim did? Would you?

Kym Lim Folds Quad Queens in High-Stakes Cash Game, Poker Players Go Berserk

 

[muse713]

Definitely not me, then again I'm not the pro player here. I can't even fold a pair for crying out loud! Merry Christmas everybody. Stay safe!

 

[Collin Moshman]

I think this is a really tough spot. On the one hand, you're getting 2:1 with quads and lose only to two specific straight flush combos. On the other hand, there is little or no value hands she beats. TT isn't going to shove that deep, and AA is possibly just calling the river 4-bet also.

Her opponent's actions are also very consistent with KdJd. He would raise pre and then might check it to the river with some showdown value, then of course continue betting and raising when he hits the nuts.

Jon makes a good point in the article that Villain is supposed to be bluffing occasionally, and if so her hand quickly becomes a call. But if she's very confident in her read that this guy would never 5-bet shove the river with super-deep stacks, and loses to his super-small value range -- then while folds like this can never be easy, it would be the right play.

A few other thoughts:

• What a boss grinding 20/40/80 unbacked with $60k+ sitting in front of her.
• I think we usually have to bet the turn to start getting value on a coordinated board.
• I would call river, probably get shown KdJd every time, and then feel stupid

 

[Shells]

A few other thoughts:

• What a boss grinding 20/40/80 unbacked with $60k+ sitting in front of her.
• I think we usually have to bet the turn to start getting value on a coordinated board.
• I would call river, probably get shown KdJd every time, and then feel stupid

You are so right there! I'd probably call, too, but I'm not grinding 20/40/80 unbacked either!

 

[puzzlefish]

* slow play quads to the river

* re-raise a reg and fold to their shove

* go on Twitter and post about your ability to lay down quads at high stakes

Pretty sure there's nothing to brag about folding quads. Could just as easily have called the $6800 if she felt she may have been behind, instead of realizing it after getting shoved.

 

[Vallet]

Kym Lim has any notes about the opponent maybe. We do not know unfortunately a good fold or not. Why raise further without having confidence and nuts hand if you get reraise. Kym Lim created a huge pot and gave it to her opponent. Call $ 6800 and showdown.

 

[west28]

No Way! I would need to stop playing poker, if I cant make that call.

 

[valeski 28]

First of all,Merry Christmas and enjoy this day with your family.!Well , talking about this topic,of course, I´m not in her shoes but Id call that hand.I would have been more aggressive on the turn , not that check,to force villain to fold it.

 

[Ianmacca99]

Don't think I could lay that down. Did opponent actually show straight flush? I couldn't tell from the replies

Merry Christmas to all on the forum enjoy the time with your families and if happen to be playing as well good luck

 

[finaltable1]

I admire such players, specially in cash games... It's impossible for me to fold quads in the same situation.

 

[benitwapasu]

I think the preflop raiser had pocket aces and since 4 of a kind beats a full house every single time--very bad fold!

 

[blitzenfish]

I don't know the reg but I can't help but think he got sticky with a pair of 10's, made a boat on the river, and got bullish with them jamming.

 

[blata8ruga]

It would be very tough for me to fold quads in almost any situation !

 

[Edu1]

so many mistakes in how she played this hand :hmmmm:, I would never would play that way...
Yes the other guy could have , but c'mon, just call the first re-raise in the river

 

[digdug0037]

Quads

I just read that story. Nah I could not have folded Quads, but who knows what the other player really had. Maybe he just read her like a book and with the cards on the board he new he was taking a chance that maybe she had the straight or royal flush. Im guessing he had at least one of the cards though. I would be sick!

 

[DS3]

Such hands and the way they play out, often seem oversimplified after they have been thrashed via social media and (hate to say this) a certain macho poker attitude- not here, but in the Twitterverse.

She did not ‘brag’about folding quads as was the initial wider take, she Instagramed to her own circle and then others picked up on the post then piled on.

She went bold on the flop when she thought she had the hand crushed and then backed off as the hand developed to a potential straight or royal flush. Perhaps I would not have folded but with an additional 42K on the line in a 85K spot I hope I would have considered (fgs) the straight or royal and checked myself before acting….and I would like to believe I had the capacity to fold.

No the villain didnot show the hand.

 

[manzanillo53]

I would have called, what she did took courage, good for her.

 

[hackmeplz]

I think this is a really tough spot. On the one hand, you're getting 2:1 with quads and lose only to two specific straight flush combos. On the other hand, there is little or no value hands she beats. TT isn't going to shove that deep, and AA is possibly just calling the river 4-bet also.

Her opponent's actions are also very consistent with KdJd. He would raise pre and then might check it to the river with some showdown value, then of course continue betting and raising when he hits the nuts.

Jon makes a good point in the article that Villain is supposed to be bluffing occasionally, and if so her hand quickly becomes a call. But if she's very confident in her read that this guy would never 5-bet shove the river with super-deep stacks, and loses to his super-small value range -- then while folds like this can never be easy, it would be the right play.

A few other thoughts:

• What a boss grinding 20/40/80 unbacked with $60k+ sitting in front of her.
• I think we usually have to bet the turn to start getting value on a coordinated board.
• I would call river, probably get shown KdJd every time, and then feel stupid

I've never played 20/40/80 but I have played a decent bit of 25/50 live. One of the things I started to notice was that there were a lot of good regs who would buy in 50-100k to cover the table, but they literally never bluffed when stacks got in, and for good reason because regs in these games call too much. Like it wasn't super common but I've seen a good number of 1kbb+ pots (50k at 25/50) and it's never not been some kind of cooler, usually set over set at minimum.

I also agree with you about betting turn, but would extrapolate that to flop too. You've got a whale who flatted preflop behind and without specific reads you're going to get way more value out of him with a bet than a check. If he has Ax you want 3 large streets of value and if he has a FD you want him to give you 2 large streets of value if he doesn't get there. And hell while we're going backwards, how is this not a 3-bet pre? If you're really sitting here with like 800bb effective you realize they never fold to 3-bets pre. Why would you not want to build a bigger pot when you're IP against a much weaker range?

Also why do you think this reg would normally check KJdd here? Seems like a huge mistake not to bet flop, as you're in a spot where you can make OP fold better hands and the whale call with weaker hands, and you get a bigger pot where on later streets you're going to be making very good decisions. J9dd could be possible but that's a really loose open from EP and I can't imagine he wouldn't bet the turn when he hit. That said, as I mentioned I've yet to see any reg at that level bluff in this type of spot, so I think it's way more likely that he's just bad and played KJdd or J9dd this way than that he's bluffing, so probably a good fold.

All that said, my guess is she made up that she had QQ. We've seen this a lot before in tournaments with people trying to claim hands but then having to show them and them being wildly different from what they claimed, and if she was going to tweet what she had, why wouldn't she show it at the time? The tweet seems to suggest she didn't show. Obviously I don't know her and maybe it is legit, but given how terribly everything other than the river is played with QQ here I'm gonna say it's more likely she's actually decent at poker and had a bluff or like TT or something.

 

[puzzlefish]

That's a pretty good point that she might be making all of this up to get some attention or even to project an image for future cash games, attracting action.

 

[paisley]

I hate to say this cause I'm sure I will get flack for it, but... those of you who are putting her down, would you have said the same if she were a guy? I'm thinking not.

 

[Boom Boss]

If she feels she did the right thing, that's that. They would have to bust me. No way I fold.

 

[mtl mile end]

The primary question here is Doesn't the Bellagio have a Bad Beat Jackpot?!?!?!

 

[Luvulongtime99]

The reshove and it's your money you have to call off makes a big difference.

 

[swoopdonk]

Defending that whole hand is absurd.

 

[jsh169]

The primary question here is Doesn't the Bellagio have a Bad Beat Jackpot?!?!?!

Any regular table beyond 1-3 most of the time doesn't support bad beat jackpots. Everyone loses, the casino rakes more, charges gratuity charge, and then you have 2 lucky lottery winners. It's typically at least a dollar more a hand which at the lowest levels really add up.