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Joye Ingrams "investigation" for, what is it now, like 50+ hours, is farcical, and I am not going to spend my time watching any of it. Doug Polk and Bart Hansson have made some excellent videos about the situation, and watching them give people all the knowledge, they need to have. I rewatched the first video, Doug Polk posted, and apart from calling Robbi "incredibly dumb" it was spot on.
I agree, and am done with it also.

Joey Ingram just seems to be muddying the waters now, repeatedly mentioning how much he 'loves' Robbi. I still won't say they cheated via technology but signals were going round the table and even if that was just friends colluding, it was out of order. Half the characters involved are shady on one level or another and while many say that it's great to get so many eyes on poker, I think that a stupid take. I believe people will look at this and think poker is full of dubious people who shouldn't be trusted...not exactly news to many.
 
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I still won't say they cheated via technology but signals were going round the table and even if that was just friends colluding, it was out of order. Half the characters involved are shady on one level or another and while many say that it's great to get so many eyes on poker, I think that a stupid take. I believe people will look at this and think poker is full of dubious people who shouldn't be trusted...not exactly news to many.
I think, the case for cheating via signaling from someone with access to the hole card information is quite strong with the information, that has come out now. We even know, who the inside guy most likely was, and at least 1-2 other players, who might also be involved. So if people outside Hustler Casino actually want to investigate this, then the thing to do is to go through the streams before this one and look for other unusual hands. Pretty much like, what a lot of people did in the Stones cheating scandal.

I watched the first 90 minutes of the first stream, where Robbi appeared with this mindset, and to me her play looks completely normal. There is even a hand, where she incorrectly folded AT high to a small flop bet, when it was the best hand. However RIP and Nik Airball each played a hand, which is at least someone unusual during this time frame.

Nik Airball had a draw against Garrett, who flopped top pair. It went bet, call, which is very standard. On the turn Nik made the new top pair with a T kicker, and he then bet very large on both turn and river and got paid off. This is not like a crazy hand, but one of the things, you can potentially do, if you have information, is to use larger bet sizing, when you know, you are ahead. Normally with a hand like top pair T kicker one needs to worry about not value owning oneselfes by building to large a pot. But if you know, you are ahead, then the worst thing, that can happen, is to not get paid.

RIP on the other hand went crazy with Q4s. First he 3-bet, which ok people might do that sometimes, but he then called a 4-bet, which is definitely already a bit unusual with such a bad hand. However if you have information, you can play some very big pots with bad hands, which is something, we often saw Mike Postle do. RIPs opponent C-bet the flop with AK high, and he then raised essentially putting her all in.

This went wrong, because she called, and of course its possible, that he just felt like going for it. But he did pick a really bad hand and a good timing, because often people will fold AK in this situation. And this is also something, we saw a lot with Postle. When he eventually lost a big pot, it was often, because people made a really big call against him, when he was bluffing into the bottom of their range.

Now obviously for this to be cheating, the signaling would need to be a suggestion of, which action to take. But thats not to complicated to make up either. It can be a simple as "one bleep means fold, two bleeps means call, three bleeps means raise". And the player on the table should then be able to know, if they are raising for value or as a bluff.
 
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I am now, if paying any attention, trying to watch/listen to some peripheral content, just to see what is revealed as people can't help themselves from exposing themselves as even more questionable.

So I listened to Nick Vertucci being 'interviewed' by his podcast partner Veronica Brill, just to see what came up. The podcast sort of kicked off with them saying though they feel Joey Ingram should be allowed 'his process' neither appreciated Ingram allowing anyone on his show to say anything, with Ingram not bothering to push back, or blocking other guests from seriously questioning what they were claiming. I agree - this is what really turned me off Ingram in recent podcasts. For instance he had 'Beanz' on his show again.

Beanz had admitted he got Robbi on the HCL stream after meeting her twice only (?) and the second time he got a $20K loan from her(?) which he admitted he had yet to pay back(?). Ingram then stopped the likes of Deeb and Brill from pressing him on details or even asking for serious answers about his background of people calling him a scammer. Very annoying as he allowed Beanz to portray himself as a good guy. Unfortunately for Inspector Ingram within hours people were posting the official charges which Beanz is facing this month for defrauding the PPP (Covid) program for over $300K in St Louis.

Now, in the meantime, Christian Soto at the end of one of Matt Berkey's podcast noted Beanz was trying to call in and Berkey got really irritated at Christian. Berkey flat out refused and said Beanz is a scammer, as was his best friend who had scammed Berkey himself and so he was not going to get the time of day from Berkey or get on the show.

I cite this situation simply because Berkey is evidently prepared to take a moral stand with such characters and Ingram is not. However, it all loops back to the Hustler Stream and what Vertucci and Feldman were allowing, even encouraging.

Beanz is one of the dubious figures who was playing on the Hustler Stream, wheeling and dealing to get others on the stream and to receive loans. It appears he was not vetted (he had a reputation already) or subsequently others such as Robbi and the RIP either. I already said sometime ago I think this was the intentional set up of the show. A revolving cast of questionable people, amid the regulars, whose sole entry was whether they had funds to play.

No questions asked...and I suppose, let's hope this does not blow up in our faces.

But, it gets even more ludicrous. Brill on the Vertucci podcast asked him who employed Bryan Sagbigsal, the thief. Vertucci said as production started Feldman said Sagbigsal had applied to be an intern, got employed and then promoted. Brill asked about his background check.

Vertucci then admitted that they had never done a background check on Sagbigsal. In fact they had never done any background checks on any HCL staff. Further Vertucci admitted he had never done a reference/background check on anyone who had ever been in his employ and that he had now realized that 'he had 'effed' up'.

You have got to be kidding me.

This is how amateur hour the entire production was regarding guests or staff being vetted. Millions on the table, all the tech needed to produce and present a glossy stream whilst not even bothering with hiring practices that would meet the local McDonald's standards.
 
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This is how amateur hour the entire production was regarding guests or staff being vetted. Millions on the table, all the tech needed to produce and present a glossy stream whilst not even bothering with hiring practices that would meet the local McDonald's standards.
Moreover Bryan Sagbigsal reportedly was playing in the casino, when he was not working, and losing tousinds of dollars. This in itself is pretty crazy in my opinion. A relative of mine once worked as a poker dealer at Casino Copenhagen, and according to him they did not allow their staff to take part in any gambling activity in the casino while employed. Which in my opinion makes complete sense.
 
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Moreover Bryan Sagbigsal reportedly was playing in the casino, when he was not working, and losing tousinds of dollars. This in itself is pretty crazy in my opinion. A relative of mine once worked as a poker dealer at Casino Copenhagen, and according to him they did not allow their staff to take part in any gambling activity in the casino while employed. Which in my opinion makes complete sense.
This is not the norm in the United States (except certain 'key' employees); many casinos allow employees to play poker at least.

In Atlantic City before the pandemic the Golden Nugget had a special weekly "Employees" tournament where casino/hotel workers would not be charged the registration fee (only the buy-in).
 
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This is not the norm in the United States (except certain 'key' employees); many casinos allow employees to play poker at least.

In Atlantic City before the pandemic the Golden Nugget had a special weekly "Employees" tournament where casino/hotel workers would not be charged the registration fee (only the buy-in).
Yes, understand what you are saying about US casinos having different policies re staff playing.

However, fundiver199's point I believe (not trying to speak for him) was that Sagbigsal was being paid a low wage, he started as an intern, and yet was playing both poker and baccarat out on the Hustler casino floor itself with thousands of dollars. In fact it has also been claimed Sagbigsal was friends with DGAF (another player who ran a Monday night game on the live stream) and he had loaned Sagbigsal thousands to play (yes, another area which looks ridiculously suspect).

In other words Sagbigsal had a gambling habit with no apparent funds to support it, yet was blowing through thousands before and after his shift without it occuring to anyone, Houston, we have a problem. Seriously?

Which is why I noted above Vertucci admits never having done background checks on staff - yet he'll then waffle about the integrity of the stream. In fact I just listened to Feldman (another one of those rehabilitation videos) describing how they got so popular and how he gets the table line ups and that they look for loose, interesting players etc. But, he then admitted they know some people have a shady past and if it did not affect them or people they know directly, they will allow them on the stream - that's poker.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
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I did not know, US casinos had a more lax policy about staff playing in general. And maybe thats fine. But as DS3 say, when a low paid staff member show signs of a gambling habit with no apparent funds to support it, then alarm bells should clearly have been going off.
 
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I did not know, US casinos had a more lax policy about staff playing in general. And maybe thats fine. But as DS3 say, when a low paid staff member show signs of a gambling habit with no apparent funds to support it, then alarm bells should clearly have been going off.
Years ago I was playing a tourney at South Point Casino in Las Vegas and the tournament director from the morning tournament sat down at my table as a player, and I didn't like it at all.

I don't think employees should be playing in the same room they work at, but many places allow it.

You are correct...how does a low-level employee lose thousands and not only that, borrow ANY amount of money but especially a significant amount of money from a customer/player and management doesn't see a problem?
 
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You are correct...how does a low-level employee lose thousands and not only that, borrow ANY amount of money but especially a significant amount of money from a customer/player and management doesn't see a problem?
Also according to Doug Polk Bryan was seen paying back $10k in chips to someone a few weeks before the controversial stream. Which obviously raise the question, where did he get that money from? And admittedly there are legit options like, he won them in gambling or borrowed from someone else, but there are also two rather obvious illegit options:

1) This was not the first time, he stole chips inside the casino
2) He got paid his cut for taking part in cheating on one or more previous streams
 
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She catched his bluff! simple to understand, but some ppl don’t like to lose...

Stu Ungar win the WSOP in 1990 doing hero call at the river with Ten high and no one said he was cheating.
This is not the first time Garret bluffed to Roobi and he got called and he lost several hands against her, seems to be an usual strategy from him that she read very well. But this time it was too much money...
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1577312463627857920/vid/640x360/F9kDYvkt4llaglow.mp4?tag=14

I hope she has not felt pressed or threatened by him when she returned the money, because it would already be an issue that justice should resolve, we are not in the old West!

Just because he was humiliated on live stream he cannot bully to her. And most of poker community (male) supported to him, this smell like a grave discrimination.
This is one case where I would like to hear and feel to the "Poker Women's Community" support and demand a real guarantee of respect to women in the poker games, to avoid this happen again, and we don't have to be afraid to beat a famous "pro of live stream poker" or to any"man"...
You really compare a HU tournmanent versus a full ring cash game?
 
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Can someone please explain why this thread has been altered and for what reason? Or was it that the other Hustlers thread that got binned and I am confused?

I first noticed the entire thread was missing a few hours ago and concluded (rightly or wrongly) the thread might had been binned as the thoughts of some posters were not appreciated. So was this a technical issue or did the moderators wipe it from the boards temporarily? I could be mistaken on this as there were two threads and I did not realize that this thread had the tail end removed (or was mistaken regarding this specific thread).

Because, I then checked my personal profile to see when I had last posted here, to find my entire posting history within this thread has now disappeared. Could another member check their posting history has disappeared or not within their personal profile also….zorro222_zorro222 or fundiver199?

It then appeared the thread has been reinstated with pages/posts missing but my posting history within my profile is still nowhere to be found.

Any explanation will be appreciated.

Thank you.

EDIT - I have now double checked within my posting history in this thread - all posts Hustler posts after October 10 were wiped. Or, am I just confused because one of the two Hustler threads has been wiped and that is the cause of why all recent posts disappeared?

Apologies if this is confusing but, as is obvious, I am personally confused as to what happened.
 
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Can someone please explain why this thread has been altered and for what reason? Or was it that the other Hustlers thread that got binned and I am confused?

I first noticed the entire thread was missing a few hours ago and concluded (rightly or wrongly) the thread might had been binned as the thoughts of some posters were not appreciated. So was this a technical issue or did the moderators wipe it from the boards temporarily? I could be mistaken on this as there were two threads and I did not realize that this thread had the tail end removed (or was mistaken regarding this specific thread).

Because, I then checked my personal profile to see when I had last posted here, to find my entire posting history within this thread has now disappeared. Could another member check their posting history has disappeared or not within their personal profile also….zorro222_zorro222 or fundiver199?

It then appeared the thread has been reinstated with pages/posts missing but my posting history within my profile is still nowhere to be found.

Any explanation will be appreciated.

Thank you.

EDIT - I have now double checked within my posting history in this thread - all posts Hustler posts after October 10 were wiped. Or, am I just confused because one of the two Hustler threads has been wiped and that is the cause of why all recent posts disappeared?

Apologies if this is confusing but, as is obvious, I am personally confused as to what happened.
This thread had not seen any activity since the post made by MrHachiman on saturday, until you posted in it again. So as far as I can tell, no individual posts have been removed. However the entire thread started by Shells about the same topic seem to have been taken down by either her or another moderator. I have no idea why, but if you want to know, maybe PM her?
 
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The Updates thread was not deleted by me or any other moderator. We are having technical difficulties with several posts or threads having been deleted. Hopefully, they will all be restored soon.

If you find that there have been a few missing threads/posts, check in with the thread below for updates, etc.

Some threads are missing - please be patient

 
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The Updates thread was not deleted by me or any other moderator. We are having technical difficulties with several posts or threads having been deleted. Hopefully, they will all be restored soon.

If you find that there have been a few missing threads/posts, check in with the thread below for updates, etc.

Some threads are missing - please be patient

Thanks for clarifying :)
 
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Well would you look at that! The forum's a.i. is doing us all a favor by deleting this Robbi garbage. What a bad look for poker :( Thanks CC a.i. :)
 
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This thread had not seen any activity since the post made by MrHachiman on saturday, until you posted in it again. So as far as I can tell, no individual posts have been removed. However the entire thread started by Shells about the same topic seem to have been taken down by either her or another moderator. I have no idea why, but if you want to know, maybe PM her?
Yup, realized eventually that we had switched to the newer thread and that is what got deleted (along with the posts from our personal profile).

Thanks for the update Shells.
 
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Well would you look at that! The forum's a.i. is doing us all a favor by deleting this Robbi garbage. What a bad look for poker :( Thanks CC a.i. :)

The funny thing is that there were two threads of this topic and only the newer one was deleted.

So I guess the CC AI can detect duplicate threads and delete the redundant one.
 
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The funny thing is that there were two threads of this topic and only the newer one was deleted.

So I guess the CC AI can detect duplicate threads and delete the redundant one.
Think what you want...lol
 
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Well would you look at that! The forum's a.i. is doing us all a favor by deleting this Robbi garbage. What a bad look for poker :( Thanks CC a.i. :)
Seems like the "Russia vs. Ukraine" thread disappeared as well, so CC a.i. doing a pretty good job there. Somehow it missed the "Joe Biden" thread though :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Let's be realistic here, if she didn't cheat, it's hilarious!- sidenote, anyone find out what happened to the employee who stole $15K of chips?
 
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For anyone that likes to see interesting poker hands, you need to google a hand between Garrett and Robbi that happened a few hours ago on the Hustler Casino Live broadcast... it's one of the craziest hands I have ever seen!!

Robie's very strange game, a very suspicious decision on the turn, and even stranger is her explanation of why she made it. As an outsider to the video, I immediately suspected fraud, especially when she started arguing for her decision. If she really thought Garrett had an ace high, then her call with jack high doesn't make any sense.
 
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Let's be realistic here, if she didn't cheat, it's hilarious!
I was kind of done with the whole thing, but then I watched this video on Youtube. And he does make a pretty good argument, that she misread her hand, and then her pride prevented her from admitting this, after she won. The main argument against this theory is, she clearly checked her cards before calling. But there are also things, that point in that direction:

1) Before calling she ask Garrett "3 is no good?"
2) When the 9 comes on the first run, she looks a little upset. And when Garrett say "this one is yours" she answer "I dont think so". The 9 dubble paired the board and counterfeited a 3, but was inconsequential, if she knew, she had J high.
3) After turning her cards over, she dont look completely happy about the situation, and she is quiet for a few seconds.
4) When Garrett ask her, why she called, she say "I thought you had A high". This explanation makes no sense, if she knew, she had J high, but it makes sense, if she thought, she had a 3.

As many people have already said, it also does not make a ton of sense to pick this exact hand to cheat. Calling with such a bad hand can raise suspicion, as in fact it did, and its also very high variance. So if they had this perfect cheating system set up, why not wait for a better spot? Like for instance one, where she could make a hero call on the river and be 100% sure to win the hand rather than basically be flipping for her entire stack? Even if she did not know his exact cards, bottom pair is never that far ahead of a draw with two overcards and possible counterfeit outs as well.

So maybe it was just a huge mistake by her putting in 109k without knowing her cards even after checking them again. And then an attempt to save face by not admitting this right away. If that is the case, then this whole thing is extremely embarrasing for both her, Garrett and everyone, who have publicly accused her of cheating, and its decidedly bad for poker and especially streams.

 
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Even if she did not know his exact cards, bottom pair is never that far ahead of a draw with two overcards and possible counterfeit outs as well.
This was a brainfart from me. Should of course have been "J high is never that far ahead of a draw with pair outs".
 
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